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Windows Phone 8 sucker punches Windows Phone fans

Yesterday Microsoft showed Windows Phone fans what to expect when the next iteration of its mobile operating system lands this autumn -- and simultaneously sucker-punched its most loyal fans by confirming existing Windows Phones won't be getting an update to Windows Phone 8.

Let me make that point really clear: if you just shelled out for a Windows Phone you won't be able to update it to Windows Phone 8. "The answer, unfortunately, is no," as Windows Phone head honcho Joe Belfiore put it in a blog post about the changes.

What does Windows Phone 8 bring? Lots of the things the platform has been sorely missing up to now -- including support for multi-core chips, higher resolution screens, expandable storage, NFC, improved mapping, in-app payments and even a more flexible homescreen, with three different sizes of live tiles now supported. That doesn't matter so much for existing WP users, as we'll see.

(Incidentally, the new look Windows Phone live tiles effectively recreates the mix of widgets and icons you get on an Android device -- just with a more regimented look.)

Windows Phone 8 update home screen

Much more importantly, Windows Phone 8 will also share a core with Microsoft's next gen desktop OS Windows 8 -- which should make life much easier for app developers and thus encourage many more apps to be created for handsets.

All of which sounds great, but if you own any one of Nokia's Lumia phones -- or indeed any other Windows Phone 7 or 7.5 device -- Microsoft has just left you out in the cold.

The pace of technology change does mean hardware becomes defunct relatively quickly -- but the Windows Phone platform isn't even two years old yet. Contrast this to the recent announcement by Apple that iOS 6 would be coming to the iPhone 3GS, a device that launched back in 2009. Now, Apple's approach is something of a fudge -- it has left out some features and previous updates have not worked brilliantly on its older hardware -- but it's hard not to feel burned on Windows Phone fans' behalf.

The oldest Nokia Lumia has barely been with us for a year and a half. Nokia's newest Lumias -- the 610 and 900 -- are still box fresh.

There's no getting away from it, this is a really nasty way to treat your most faithful supporters.

Aptly enough, the Greek god Apollo -- Microsoft's code name for Windows Phone 8 -- was considered a bit of a mixed blessing, being both associated with medicine and healing but also sickliness and death by plague.

On the surface, Windows Phone 8 looks like it will mend a lot of the OS's major shortcomings. But its arrival creates a sickly subsection of Windows Phone hardware that won't be benefitting from most of these fixes. Don't expect Windows Phone 8 apps to run on your Windows Phone 7.5 phone. There's no backwards compatibility for apps. That door has been closed.

Sure, existing Windows Phone owners were never going to get higher resolution screens or dual-core chips via a software update, but these people have previously been told they don't need better hardware -- that Windows Phone handsets were good enough already and stuff like multicore chips was just a waste of time.

Microsoft has now made it really clear the opposite is true -- and flagged up the unfortunate truth that its most loyal followers have been sold a donkey, not a racehorse.

In reviews of recent Windows Phones such as the Lumia 900 I've warned potential buyers to beware the risk of being saddled with an expensive bright blue brick, because of the question mark about future updates. Sad to say, Microsoft has not been keeping its fans so well informed -- despite being fully aware the shift to basing Windows Phone on the same kernel as desktop Windows would cut the umbilical cord to Windows Phone 7.5.

There was no official confirmation of the looming schism between Windows Phone 7 and 8. Instead Microsoft opted for a 'no comment' approach which, here at CNET Towers, set the alarm bells ringing. But the average mobile buyer walking into a phone shop wanting a new device and coming out with a shiny new Windows Phone would probably have been none the wiser.

It's doubly galling since the people who bought Windows Phone handsets were already making do with fewer (and much more expensive) apps than Android and iOS owners enjoy -- and less capable hardware. Yet now their loyalty and willingness to support a mobile underdog is being rewarded with a bloody nose.

In an attempt to soften this blow, Microsoft is going to parachute in one more update on Windows Phone 7.5. This will be known, rather unfortunately it must be said, as Windows Phone 7.8 -- and will mean you do get the new homescreen.

But a new homescreen is poor compensation for such shoddy treatment. Microsoft should be careful about playing fast and loose with mobile users' goodwill. It can ill afford to alienate people when there are scores of highly capable and affordable Android phones up for grabs. Or years-old Apple iPhones which aren't being prematurely shut out of the iOS playground.

The Windows Phone 8 schism is also very bad news for Nokia -- which is desperately trying to shift existing Lumias, having killed the Symbian cash-cow by giving Windows Phone a bear-hug. Who's going to buy a Lumia 900 or Lumia 800 now -- knowing full well these phones are being cut off from the platform's future? Nokia has said it will be bringing some "visual enhancements" to Lumia owners, but you can practically hear Stephen Elop scrabbling around for loose change to fling in their direction.

As for Windows Phone 8 -- these updates are certainly welcome but there's no getting away from how late they are. Microsoft remains on the back foot, playing catchup with Android and iOS. And the big question for mobile lovers -- why should I buy into a poorer ecosystem? -- has not yet gone away.

Windows Phone fans are going to have to carry on being patient -- with another three or four months to wait for the arrival of the (re)rebooted Windows Phone. And, come the autumn, Microsoft is going to have to hope and pray it hasn't used up all their goodwill.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:05

That is disgraceful. I'm a big fan of the os and being informed of this I certainly won't be looking to purchase a windows phone in the future. This is important for a smart phone, particularly as software moves at such as quick speed to keep up with the ways in which we use our phones. At least with Apple you get 3 years of software updates and Android 18 months.

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AMDeeb 21 June, 2012 13:14

"The oldest Nokia Lumia has barely been with us for a year and a half"

It was actually released in November last year, so it has barely been with us for a 7 months...

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:16

i think that the vast majority of consumers don't care. the average person doesn't follow tech news like we do because they're quite happy not knowing. Android phones have not been receiving updates since it became popular. I read a quote somewhere that said that you should buy tech based on what it could do now not on what it may someday be able to do.

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Hisham Hameed 21 June, 2012 13:20

WP 7.5 phones will get some WP 8 features with an update (WP 7.8) so this is no punch to the fans actually it’s a nice treat!

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:20

Always always always said this would happen.... Windows CE never upgraded properly or looked after their customers loyalty... Same here again - if Windows 8 is the last OS and it's all incremental from thereon in 'ok', but CE was poor on both customer and developer. I had bricked iPaqs with CE that couldn't upgrade because of a few cycles and mb's of storage, surely Apple have shown you can release updates for all but cut out bits that can't squeeze onto the older hardware... Will this drive the Nokia share price so low - Microsoft can afford to buy them out and then own their own mobile OS just like APPLE?? OMG i'm an Oracle.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:21

This obsession with backwards compatibility is the reason Windows has been so out-dated over the last decade, relying on old 16 and 32 bit code so that older machines aren't left out

I would much rather a company focus on making a good a product as possible rather than being contstrained by the requirements for providing compatibility with older kit

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:23

Mmm.... If Apple do this its OK. If Microsoft do this you call it Nasty!!!

Why?

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:24

Typical Microsoft strategy.
Being so far behind the iPhone, with nothing to counter it, they were in such a panic to get something, anything, out of the door that they developed Windows Phone on top of Windows CE.
Now they find that platform isn't up to it either, hence Windows Phone 8.
But the poor suckers who believed the Microsoft hype get treated like this.

I would be very, very wary of Windows 8 RT.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:37

The piece sounds pretty anti MS. I think MS could have done an Apple and released a single version i.e. WP8 and then listed the features not supported by older handsets, and lets face it the windows hardware lock down is based on tech from 2009 regardless of buying a lumia 900 last week.

Android - yes Google "released" ICS but then you have to wait almost 12months AFTER it's released before the hardware vendors offer it (I'm still waiting for mine Samsung!), only new hardware typically gets the latest Android release. Never mind that you need have a mini super computer to get any kind of performance out of Android. Try running ICS on a 2009 single core, 512mb ram handset and then do a write up on how wonderful Android really is! You'll find that 2009 handsets don't qualify for ICS upgrades much like WP7 handsets.

As for iOS6 - only the very latest iPhone 4s will support all the features (and the hardware tech is 2011/12).

I think MS shouldn't have set such low initial hardward specs for WP7, and secondly they could have annouced the unsupported features in a more palatible fashion.

At the end of the day only MS and Apple provide a single end to end plaform WITH after sales support AND timely updates AND a gauranteed experience. With Android you're on your own or at the mercy of the hardware vendor.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:40

Are u guys kidding me ......these phone we have now are basic standard phones windows phones will never grow and get more people without making better phones, and its all the people saying how android has dual core processors and we don't well there u go now. Android ics is not coming to every device even to devices that were bought this year, im more than excited about the new phones and I sure will save money and buy a new one, stop ur crying can't believe I guys thought that an HTC trophy and HTC hd7 would be able to run Apollo, shut up and be happy with tango or go buy new phone in October

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:45

I've had my wp7 since it was realised almost 2 years ago and im ready for a new device, this is perfect timing for us early adopters and in no way am I upset, if its taken you this long to get on board then suck eggs, Apple realised a new product (as in hardware) every year and there fans lapped it up. The 7 year old xbox is still getting updates and windows xp is still supported (for now), yeah microsoft is such a bad company and apple and google are saints... Wake up!
Just enjoy what windows phone 7.8 has to offer and be happy, if there was no WP8 on the way I would buy another WP7 because is a great OS without the update

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:48

This is really dreadful. I think I'm done with this site now.

Look, what Microsoft are doing is exactly what Apple do. They release a new OS but only the very newest phone will work with all features. Microsoft will provide an update that will allow all possible features from Windows Phone 8 without compromising the performance of the phone.

The only difference between what Apple do and what Microsoft are doing is that Apple are not so upfront about it, they still call it the brand new OS, Microsoft have been more transparent about what they're doing and are essentially being ripped to pieces for being honest. Had they called the update Windows Phone 8 (and in the fine print listing the features that won't work, like Apple do), would there be this uproar?

Probably, sadly.

Brilliant, the article even mentions the continued support of the iPhone 3GS, and the writer still doesn't notice the similarity. I could cry really.

And what is this obsession with OS updates? If you phone works and works well, so what? Lumias were designed to work perfectly with Windows Phone 7, future Lumias will be designed to work perfectly with Windows Phone 8. Half the new features in Windows Phone 8 will probably be redundant to the majority of WP7 users. But articles like this only serves to make people angry. Especially when they omit the obvious reasons and precedents in the industry.

CNet: Windows = super bad and disrespectful to customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality: Windows were upfront and honest and refused to compromise on their product and will continue to support existing costumers as best they can.

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George Bailey 21 June, 2012 13:51

Hold on,this report is FUD, everyone, Manufacturers on is going dual core,quad core, iphone is just in there 800mhz dual core may be quad core this year in iphone 5,so nokia wants to move up too,not be left behind,sammy ,lg, HTC want decent hardware
whilst galaxy s3 is 1.5ghz dual core and 1.4 ghz quad core, what do you want microsoft to do , release win 8 for single core phone on a 2 year cycle or go to unlimited cores on the next os reboot,yes up to theoretically 64 cores, that is future proofing, the other will do so in a few years.apple is on iphone 5 late this year so a win 8 dual/quad core with NFC and all the latest goodies will be able to comptete,so fanboys can not use specs against it. So ditch single core lunina,nokia aint crying, so why should we. Nokia lumina is fast and fluid now, we dont need win 8 to slow it down ,give us the facelift to last till mid 2013,most people will move on to the more powerful win 8 phones.we dont want slow win8 on single core phones to get laughed at in 2014 thank you I want quad core in 2014,not a lumina with win 8 software and dead sloaw and laughing stock of the industry.sammy will now show you hide def-screens,quad core,great camers ,NFC in 6 months in stead of 12 months.so MS did the right thing for us to upgrade in pride in 12 months.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 14:34

I think this article is completly awful, Natasha Lomas "Opinion" is... well she's entitled to it, that's all I think I can say...

Windows 8 has lots of new features which requires different hardware standards to 7.5, obviously the features that use new hardware can't be ported back to the older handsets and every feature that can run on the win 7.5 hardware specs will be...

How this this anything other than a win, win for the platform? Was someone expecting a software update to magically give their phone NFC capability... erm I don't think they were.

Have Microsoft wronged you in some way Natasha? One can only assume so for you to write such an article byast against them.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 14:38

This article is ridiculos as always. CNET is not a microsoft supporter from the day one, always a street dog waiting for a bone from apple. Even they praise that mobiles were invented by apple and even support apple for their stupid patents... patent for rectangle, patent for alphabet "i" blah blah

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 14:55

anonymous 21 June, 2012 13:37:

Why don't you tell us what's bad about running a 512mb single core handset? If you're talking about the Google Nexus S I can say that it runs superbly with ICS, far better than the Samsung Galaxy S running Gingerbread.

I seem to be saying this every day lately, but the problems with Android (lag, crashes, etc.) stem from the third party modifications. Pure, unskinned Android runs wonderfully on even a relatively low powered phone (though I'd say 512mb RAM and single core 1ghz processor is stil l mid-range for another half a year at least, albeit lower mid-range).

Other than that, the rest of your post is pretty spot on.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 14:57

I am a WP7 fan and enjoyed my Surround, and now love my Lumia 800. I can live with the v7.8 ceiling. The Lumia 800 doesn't have the hardware to take advantage of the some of the new features in the in v8, my Surround was cool - but it wasn't hasn't smooth on Mango as the Lumia - so I would suspect it would become clunking with v7.8 (assuming it is available 1 gen devices).
Like someone else had said here, most people won't care because it will still give them the new start screen and that will make them happy.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 15:23

"What does Windows Phone 8 bring? Lots of the things the platform has been sorely missing up to now -- including support for multi-core chips, higher resolution screens, expandable storage, NFC, improved mapping, in-app payments and even a more flexible homescreen, with three different sizes of live tiles now supported. That doesn't matter so much for existing WP users, as we'll see."
Well, at least three of those new features are hardware dependant so physically can't be updated with a mere update. WP7.8 is getting the new homescreen so that leaves mapping and in-app payments (unclear if either of these will be included in 7.8).
I'm no apple hater or WP fanboy but seriously cnet, I would've thought that such a major update to an OS would be something to shout about?

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 15:29

Most of the updates on WP8 are hardware related are they not? Getting the update is not going to give my Lumian 900 a higher resolution screen, or a dual core, or NFC SIM, is it? Can somebody better explain this to me?

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timb318 21 June, 2012 15:39

I wrote a very similar piece on my blog last night

I think the problem with the lack of an Apollo update isn't that the existing handsets wouldn't be able to support many of the new features (no-one is silly enough to expect NFC ported to a non-NFC handset). The core of the problem surely lies in the fact that the core code of Apollo is different to Mango and thus apps written for WP8 will not be backwardly compatible with the existing WP7 phones - even though I am sure that the existing hardware (1.4Ghz processor and 512MB RAM) is capable of running the newer version.<br />
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I agree whole-heartedly that this is a sucker punch to those that purchased these phones, and what makes it doubly objectionable is the sales strategy of both Microsoft and Nokia in blanket advertising and pushing phones that they both knew would be technologically marooned by the WP update.
So 7.8 brings some cosmetic niceties and some improved functionality, but this is little compensation for the fact that 3rd party support for 7.8 will be pretty much zero. Fans of MS have a right to be angry; this isn't about being a fanboy or not, it's about expecting to be treated with respect by the firm to whom you've given the best part of £400.

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damien2501 21 June, 2012 15:45

Personally i buy a phone that does what i want it to do at the time, if the it gets updated with extra features ect then this is a bonus. No one is being left out in the cold here windows phone 7 is excellent and does everything (i assume) people who bought the phone want it to do, otherwise why didnt they buy an android or iOS device instead. I dont think Microsoft are doing anything underhand here. In effect they are merely bringing out a new range of devices with different features.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 15:46

If there is a demand for it and money to be made, people will continue to make WP7 apps.

To be honest, I've not seen a single comment from a Windows Phone user that suggests they are angry. Most are just grateful for the 7.8 upgrade.

You also have to ask why would Microsoft bend over backwards for a platform that is struggling right now. Changes are needed to bring it into line with iOS and Android which obviously can only be achieved by doing what they are doing.

The average consumer cares far less about updates than the average CNet reader. I know someone with an iPhone 4 that only updated to iOS 5 3/4 weeks before iOS 6 was released, they just weren't bothered. When I owned a Blackberry, I updated the OS the first day I had it, and for a 14 months never checked again for another OS update (there were two I believe, and I have no idea if my phone was eligible for them or not, nor did I care, though I'm more into tech now after going to Android, but I'm stuck with Gingerbread, but I don't sit around wishing I had ICS and being angry about it, the only reason I'm looking to get a new phone is that my phone is simply unreliable and that wouldn't be fixed by an upgrade to an OS that would be more resource intensive).

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JasonX 21 June, 2012 15:57

@Natasha Lomas
This was a poor poor article. While some of your points bore merit, the poor writing style of the article (which to be honest sounds more like rant by a child) makes me want to not believe anything you say/ write. The article seems to radiate your hate for Microsoft and for the amount that was written, contained little substance.

It is true that Microsoft may have annoyed a lot of its loyal customers by deciding to not upgrade existing phones to WP 8 - which is what the entire article boils down to - but a lot of the headline features that you mentioned in the 3rd paragraph of your article ("multi-core chips, higher resolution screens, expandable storage, NFC, improved mapping, in-app payments and even a more flexible homescreen, with three different sizes of live tiles") will only work on devices that have the right hardware. Furthermore, you barely touch on the fact that current WP7 owners will get an update to their existing software in the name of WP 7.8 which as Microsoft states "will include some of the features demonstrated for WP8 plus the new homescreen". We can only speculate what these so called 'some features' may be but telling readers they've been "sucker punched" and will only get one new feature is overkill and a bit daft.
Your opinion matters to Cnet readers who are not always in the know and while it is fine to write articles criticizing a company for their poor business decisions, writing one without all the facts or presenting information in a clear manner will only make WP7 owners more disgruntled.
However, your point about the lack of backwards compatibility of apps (WP8 to WP7.5-) was a very good one and something that is very important to current WP owners.
Hopefully your next article will be better...

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 16:05

Aah so we're not getting new apps? Well that's okay, I'm pretty happy with the ones I have, Besides I wouldn't want to keep this phone forever specially if there is going to be new phones that do have Dual core, NFC, and higher screen reolutions... even if the new apps were backwards compatible I would still want to upgrade to better hardware. Thank you for the explanation!

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 16:16

Good job I read this article before buying, only thing that saved me today was store had not got nokia in stock or I would be saddled with it.
Staff at store are telling customers that upgrades are coming.
Well done Microsoft and thanks for sending me in the direction of Apple and Android..

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 16:22

HTC : don't give last years models the latest software. Which does not need powerful machines to power it (que one v), yet last years high end models don't get it.
Samsung: does not give all the features to gs2 even though features do work on it (que endless amount of roms)
Apple: does not give all features to older devices even though developers were able to port them over.
Microsoft: doesn't give software to older devices because the phones are incompatible.

Conclusion
If you have an android phone use ROMs
Else if you have an iPhone be willing to give up a few featues.
Else if you have a windows phone, update to 7.8 and get all if the features compatible with your phone.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 16:36

Windows Phone 7 users are getting all the features their hardware can support and use. What is the point of giving them dual core if they only have a single core. Do they expect a hardware update as well? Perhaps they would like the Windows Phone 8 upgrade and then just not use most of the new features, because they don't have the hardware to utilise it. I really don't get the complaints?

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Naryan 21 June, 2012 16:50

Just trying to get people angry. This is perfect timing for early adopters and there's always going to be people who bought just before the next device comes out, but you knew that anyway.

If they hadn't done this you would have written an equally hate-mongering article about how Microsoft's software is falling behind and out of date.

They could have just pulled an Apple and said "FU" to everyone like they do every year, but they took the time and put in the effort and now it's time to start over.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 16:59

Another example of bad tech journalism. Microsoft is releasing some of the features of WP8 as the WP7.8 release so there are features that will continue on for original purchasers of a Windows Phone. You should have watched the Livecast or at least the recording of it before publishing this slanted article

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 17:09

Ok, let me get this straight. You just buy a Windows Phone. And then you say (and I quote):
"What does Windows Phone 8 bring? Lots of the things the platform has been sorely missing up to now -- including support for multi-core chips, higher resolution screens, expandable storage, NFC, improved mapping, in-app payments and even a more flexible homescreen, with three different sizes of live tiles now supported. That doesn't matter so much for existing WP users, as we'll see. "
Let's break them one by one shall we?
- Multi-core chips / higher res screens / NFC : phone hardware-specific stuff, your WP phone doesn't support them even if someone loads WP8 to your phone by a miracle. Your processor will never be multicore, your screen will never have bigger resolution, your phone doesn't have the hardware to support NFC even if the software supports it. Unless you plan to upgrade your phone hardware. Which is not possible.
- Homescreen: Windows Phone 7.8 will address that.

So why are we complaining exactly? Expandable storage?

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 17:13

I suppose WP7 users may worry that developers will only write app's for WP8 from now on. My guess is, many like XNA so much, that they will continue to use it to build app's which work on both platforms, rather than move over to the WinRT API's. A WP7 Lumia is still a great phone and provided people still write app's, (100,000 so far), it's not going to stop being great.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 17:20

Apple leaves out the two biggest new features (3d and turn by turn) in iOS6 for 3gs users (and iphone 4 i would seem) and Natasha gives microsoft a hard time


I guess Natasha just sucker punched herself with that article....

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 17:41

Poor me...just bought a Lumia less than a month ago...after getting so bored with iPhone.
I should have known better than trusting Microsoft...

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Drew Nusser 21 June, 2012 17:57

Quick question: What do you actually lose with WP7.8? You still get all of the features other than the hardware ones. Apple just sounds so great because they give their customer a magical version number, even though they leave off all of the new features. The sad thing is that they've somehow convinced most of their customers that the number is more important than what the phone actually does. No human being with the ability to form logical thoughts would come up with that conclusion on their own.

I'm personally and Android guy, and I just think it's the funniest thing in the world when my iPhone 4 friends would give me a hard time about still being on 2.3 when they don't even have Siri, and won't be getting most of the new stuff with iOS6.

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Ryan Simmons 21 June, 2012 18:24

Honestly, the only genuine concern from the info right now is with the apps and backwards compatibility. Unless microsoft makes it easy to port apps to "legacy" devices, in less than a year from WP8 launch, no-one will be making apps for WP7.8 devices.

But you really need to step back for a second, Natasha. Microsoft havent actually released much info about 7.8. For all we know, it could be 8 without the hardware-specific stuff and compatibility for new apps. Moreover, WP8 isnt out until October/November. That's 4-5 months of still being in date, plus Nokia is doing it's own updates for the Lumia 900. Yes, it's pretty poor that such a heavily pushed phone is not being future-proofed, but it's not as bad as you're trying to make out.

Btw a lot of the "most loyal supporters" would have, like me, got one fairly near launch, so it doesn't suck too much.

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Mark Anderson 21 June, 2012 19:09

In this topic: Natasha, who doesn't own or use a Lumia, makes the appallingly stupid generalisation that Windows Phone owners will be up in arms about WP8 when the reality is 90% of the commenters who, you know, actually have one aren't bothered.

By the way, I have an iPhone 3GS, Natasha. Can you tell me how to enable Facetime, Siri, retina quality apps and native navigation on it? Thanks in advance!

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 20:30

This is very bad journalism. Even if you are writing an opinion. Get your facts right. None of the WP7 users i know are in any way sad or depressed due to microsoft's announcement. Microsoft laid the facts on the table for everybody. The majority of the new features announced for WP8 are hardware based. It's similar to FaceTime not being available on iPhone 3GS on the old iPad. There's nothing you can do about it. On the other end, theoretically most of the android phones launched in the last 1-2 years are capable of ICS, but will they get it? Most probably not. Even the much hyped features of iOS6 will be left out most of the legacy devices, only iPhone4S & the new iPad get them. So I don't see how Microsoft has commited a blunder, and it's most definitely not a sacrilage as you make it seem to be. That said I don't think I will be returning to this website for reviews anymore if they cannot make an unbiased viewpoint.

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 20:43

Natasha - I think these comments show how poor your article is. Inaccurate and out-of-touch!

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anonymous 21 June, 2012 21:31

Shame on you! Natasha should be given a warning or sacked for such a biased article. I won't be coming back to CNET in a hurry.

From an Android user

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Marcus Anthony Wrigley 21 June, 2012 21:39

I think Natasha's boyfriend posted a comment, jumping to her defence. I laughed that much I just had to re-post it.

Always always always said this would happen.... Windows CE never upgraded properly or looked after their customers loyalty... Same here again - if Windows 8 is the last OS and it's all incremental from thereon in 'ok', but CE was poor on both customer and developer. I had bricked iPaqs with CE that couldn't upgrade because of a few cycles and mb's of storage, surely Apple have shown you can release updates for all but cut out bits that can't squeeze onto the older hardware... Will this drive the Nokia share price so low - Microsoft can afford to buy them out and then own their own mobile OS just like APPLE?? OMG i'm an Oracle.

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Kilbot 22 June, 2012 04:06

It's funny reading the comments from all the Microsoft fanboys defending them and having a go at Android but, the fact is. When Microsoft launched Windows Phone 7 they said so customers will have an alternative to the Android clutter all phones would have a high minimum standard spec and would all be updated simultaneously to the latest version. Well since Nokia Lumia 610 cannot run some of the apps because it's spec is below the minimum standard and not all phone will be updated to the latest version. I think Windows phone will become just like what they said and the fanboys are saying Android is a cluttered mess.

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Mark Anderson 22 June, 2012 07:09

@Kilbot

It's not nearly as funny as you completely missing the point. The vast majority of WP owners simply aren't bothered by this. The only people making noise are people who err... don't own a WP.

Frankly, it's better to be told this honestly and up front than live in the perpetual world of wishful thinking and 'jam tomorrow' that most Android users appear to. But hey, maybe you'll get ICS in 2013 or something.

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anonymous 22 June, 2012 08:51

This is a very poor article. If you think the iphone 3GS is actually going to run iOS6 properly then you are living in cloud cukoo apple land. Microsoft is changing the core of WP so it makes sense that older handsets dont get the upgrade thats why theyre getting 7.8 to bridge the gap. WP8 with the new kernel/native code for games just wouldnt work on the WP7 devices. Microsoft is being honest here unlike most and should be commended.

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anonymous 22 June, 2012 08:54

I think most of the people commenting here are not Windows Phone users, I could be wrong though.

There are no fanboys here whatsoever, so that's a really unfair comment and disrespectful too.

I'm an Android user and will almost certainly stay with Android as I think Google offer an unparalleled ecosystem for mobile phones (not 100% convinced that this is the case for tablets yet, but I haven't tried one so I wouldn't know, needless to say I'm very curious about the Nexus 7, but I can't see past Windows RT being the ultimate tablet OS).

I'm happy to see that most if not all Windows Phone users aren't upset over this. The update obsession is really bizarre and a bit depressing (grass always greener on the other side and all that), good to see some people rise above it and appreciate that they've got a great phone that works well the way it is, despite some people telling them what they ought to feel.

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anonymous 22 June, 2012 09:27

OMG - you mean that phone I just bought won't be able to run the latest supercalifragilasticatiouswindows8ium??. Weep, weep, who would buy a phone to make phone calls, I mean really... Watch as western civilisation as we know goes down the toilet of technology because my Lumia has no shiny new firmware... Microsoft - you have betrayed humanity. Really, get a life guys - either you want a phone or a gadget. If you want a gadget, its average lifespan in terms of how advanced the tech is about how long it takes to unwrap it.

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smalltownanimal 22 June, 2012 09:43

So....the phone I shelled out 400 sheets for a few months back isn't gonna get updated past 7.8. Awesome. My 3gs had many ios updates over the years and whilst they my not have been earth shattering at least there were a few of them, and they allowed me to keep getting the most up to date apps, most of which ran fine on the older device. What Microsoft are saying is...

'Thanks very much for taking a punt and buying a phone with our operating system. Thanks for giving us a foothold in our war with IOS and Android. Have a new homescreen. Oh and don't expect any of the forthcoming apps to work with your phone.'

Cosmic. My one issue with Windows Phone was the lack of choice when it came to apps. However, I kept telling myself that the launch of Windows 8 and WP8 will introduce a torrent of new apps and give me access to those that I had previously enjoyed on my iPhone (Instagram et al). But that's not gonna happen.

And those of you having a pop at Natasha are completely missing the point. IOS updates always made 3gs owners feel like they'd not been forgotten. There was always something in an update that was going to be useful and new apps would always run (providing the hardware was up to it). Microsoft, on the other hand, are effectively abandoning WP7 users a matter of months after its launch. They're clearly well aware of the shoddy way in which they've treated their users, hence their cagey silence on the matter.

What if I forgive MS and buy a WP8 device....? How long before that gets left behind too?

It's a poor show.

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anonymous 22 June, 2012 10:22

In first place I am wondering how people like @Natasha turned up a s so called journalist??
Secondly how she managed to write a crap article like? that said I am an iphone 4s owner :-)
thanks for all the biased reviews cnet!! bye bye...

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anonymous 22 June, 2012 11:53

CNET you are the most biased Apple loving writers ever... Apple does it to their older devices but don't brand it a different OS version... And Android? well..

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anonymous 22 June, 2012 13:50

I'm still on contract with my HTC Desire and I have Android 2.2 (Froyo) on it. Have I had any updates to Gingerbread or Honeycomb - No! not one nor is it available without rooting the phone which is not really something I want to spend time doing.

So I have been absolutely shafted by Google in a way worse than MS are proposing with WP7.5 because at least they have updated what is possible with the phone spec. And I can't load some Apps as my operating system is not compatible.

Apple are no better, 5 weeks after my friend bought a iPhone 4 they announced the 4S, although technically the software has been updated to the 4S's many of the functions are not available such as SIRI.

A very badly written and biased article creating alarm and criticism that really shouldn't be there as I am sure the WP7.5 environment will be supported well past October and the 100k apps are still there.

My work phone is WP7.5 and I think it is the best phone I have ever had, so smooth and it does what it is supposed to brilliantly. I suspect I will wait for a WP8 phone when my contract runs out.

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anonymous 22 June, 2012 16:42

This is really not as big an issue as it's being made out to be. It will mean future phones running WP will be better, because there's no need to make everything backward compatible.

And like other people have said here, most people don't care. It's easy to get stuck in a tech world where these things become really big deals, but normal human beings out there have better things to worry about.

Looking forward to the new Apollo phones. They should be pretty good...

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zim603 23 June, 2012 02:04

At the risk of sounding insensitive, the new screen does have a very Growing Up Baby Android vibe. There's a fine line between tiny tiles and icons, though the quick-glance nature of live tiles is way more convenient.

It's exciting to see MS making its ecosystem more compatible. It's also too bad that MS couldn't be more upfront about the shorter lifespan of WP7/7.5, which early adopters won't fully appreciate until WP8. Especially if it's really awesome.

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anonymous 23 June, 2012 11:34

I don't know why people seem surprised when the press act biased towards Apple rather than Microsoft; Apple is 'perceived' as cool while MS are 'perceived' as dull. Media outlets want to generate sales/clicks, so they focus on the things they think will attract more readers (i.e. the 'cool' stuff). Also, given that traditionally graphic designers use Apple systems, multimedia press offices tend to be Apple biased by default. Why is anyone surprised when they tend to show a preference for all things Apple'?

So while the Apple products are perfectly fine (we'll, I've never liked them personally, I find them too 'limiting', but I'd recommend one for my gran) they ultimately benefit from a halo effect, comfortably supported by an all too willing press, who appear to treat them with reverence rather than objectivity.
Whether Natasha is personally biased towards Apple, who can say (we'll, I've never met her) but I think the majority of comments on the page acknowledge that the actions of Apple and those of Microsoft are not being treated with much objectivity in this blog. Disappointing Yes, unexpected No.

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anonymous 23 June, 2012 11:51

@smalltownanimal RE: "IOS updates always made 3gs owners feel like they'd not been forgotten. There was always something in an update that was going to be useful and new apps would always run (providing the hardware was up to it)."

Not sure how this is any different? Windows Mobile 7.8 is an upgrade that provides all the new features that the current Windows phone hardware can support.
All new apps do not run on old Apple phones (SIRI for example) or Android phones (of which most are still Gingerbread and were not ever upgraded).
New apps will still run on Windows Mobile 7.5/7.8 if they are coded to. On all platforms developers have to factor in the differences (e.g. do I write a Retina version of an App only, Do I write a single version that runs on Retina and Non Retina phones that does not take advantage of Retina, or do write 2 different versions?). It will be no different for Windows Phone developers (Do I code for Windows 8 phones only, Do I write a version that runs on both 7.8 and 8, or do I write 2 different versions?).
The point being, Microsoft are doing nothing the others are not doing, they are just being upfront and honest about it.

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anonymous 23 June, 2012 15:39

In my opinion this will kill Nokia Lumia series... who (is in one's senses) will buy a phone with NO SUPPORT at all?

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anonymous 24 June, 2012 06:18

But they promised: http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956010/windows-phone-apollo-upgrade

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anonymous 24 June, 2012 19:21

I keep hearing everyone saying that most customers won't hear about this, so they'll keep right on buying luminas up until Win 8 phones come out. You seem to forget that most phones are bought in a store where very few salesmen have been talking Lumina up already. Those salesmen will quickly steer customers away from Nokia phones - "Oh, you don't want that one, they're not being supported anymore." Watch and see.

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smalltownanimal 25 June, 2012 08:46

In response to the anon comment above, I did not say that all new apps will run on old Apple devices, I said it was dependent on the hardware. You can still get an app from iTunes and take a punt that it will run on a 3gs. But you're quite right, it does depend on whether the developers choose to code two versions of their app. So, will they code for 7.8 that has a relatively small user base? Or will they develop for 8.0 that will have a potentially huge user base because of its shared core with Windows 8?

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anonymous 26 June, 2012 00:57

I'm out of contract on my HTC HD2 and had been considering buying a Titan but kind of knew there would be a big change coming, so I held off. Now I'm going to have to wait for 4 months until the Zenith appears. But that's ok because I really love my HD2 and have been a Windows fan for years. One big hop onto a new and better raft is not so shabby - something to look forward to for the Autumn!

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anonymous 29 June, 2012 23:32

void LifeIsEasy() {
If (You_Android) FindROM();
if (You_iPhone) SomeNewFeatures();
if (You_Nokia) BuyNewPhone();
}

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anonymous 5 July, 2012 14:17

how many are getting latest Android OS? jelly Bean ? How many iphone will get iOS6?
Then why so much fuzz about WP 8? Why? Android and Apple fans are scared ?

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anonymous 13 August, 2012 19:45

I'll think long and hard about upgrading to Windows 8 on the 25 laptops I'm responsible for.

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anonymous 31 August, 2012 04:26

Last time MS didn't even let me upgrade my WM 6 to WM 6.5.

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anonymous 4 September, 2012 12:44

As i've read in another site, WP is (actually) for early adopters. If i was a normal consumer i would search for a mobile who already has a strong support (Android and iPhone).

The majority of WP users are people who wants innovation and has more technology information - the kind of people who definately wants an OS upgrade.

Normal people doesn't want an upgrade ( there's A LOT of old Android 2.1 - 2.2 being sold AND not being upgraded... and lots of iPhoe users who still with the iOS3 and 4).

Microsoft just buried Nokia. That's for sure.

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