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Windows Phone 7 was doomed by design, Microsoft admits

Microsoft's consolation prize to anyone who owns a current Windows Phone is a new homescreen landing in an update known as Windows Phone 7.8, pictured above running on the Nokia Lumia 900.

It's best described as a sweetener to coat the bitter truth that anyone who's shelled out for a Windows Phone in the last 20 months isn't getting the big upgrade to Windows Phone 8. Bitter because Microsoft knew this schism was coming all along but kept Windows Phone buyers in the dark.

Instead of iterating the Windows Phone software, Windows Phone 8 is a clean break with Windows Phone 7, which launched in autumn 2010. It's a reboot of a reboot, with a completely different kernel and no forward compatibility for apps. The shared look of the two OSes is just that: surface similarity. Windows Phone 8 is based on the same software core as the next generation of Microsoft's desktop OS, Windows 8.

If you own one of the Lumia Windows Phones, made by Nokia, the Finnish mobile maker has said it will bring some 'visual enhancements' and app updates to its current Lumia line-up -- the ones that are being cut off from Windows 8. But the wider point about app compatibility is that any apps built specifically for Windows Phone 8 won't run on 7.8 devices.

So anyone with a Windows Phone in their pocket now will miss out on the next wave of Windows Phone apps -- while anyone who buys a Windows Phone 8 handset will enjoy all existing and future apps.

I recently argued that with this schism Microsoft has sucker-punched the fans Windows Phone has gained in the 20 or so months since it launched by locking them out of the platform's future. It's true that no technology lasts forever, but Windows Phone is still a newcomer, so having a radical reboot after such a small space of time risks taking the wind out of what are barely unfurled sails.

Gutted from the get-go

Yet according to Greg Sullivan, senior product manager for Windows Phone, Microsoft knew all along it would be orphaning Windows Phone 7. Asked when it started developing Windows Phone 8, he reveals development work was going on in parallel with Windows Phone 7 -- and even earlier.

"It was right after Windows Phone 7," Sullivan said, speaking in an exclusive interview with CNET UK. The team that developed the 7.5 release actually was working in parallel with the core team that was already beginning [Windows Phone 8]. In fact some of that work was already initiated before Windows Phone 7 was even available -- so this goes back a little bit."

Unifying the Windows Phone and full-fat Windows kernel "was always the plan", he adds.

Windows Phone 8 interface

He refers to this Windows 7 to 8 schism as a "generational shift". "Once in a while there are these generational shifts in a platform and sometimes companies do it in a way that doesn't bring along any of the existing users... we've tried to do it in a way that really continues the momentum for the platform from a developer standpoint and that continues to bring new value to existing customers," he says.

"It is true that this is a generational shift -- that is a rare occurrence, but it's something we don't expect to have happen again in the foreseeable future because of the headspace that the new architecture gives us."

Sullivan points out that existing Windows Phone devices will still be able to benefit from updates to the various services that underpin Microsoft's mobile platform -- such as its SkyDrive cloud storage, the Xbox Live service, Bing search, maps and so on -- even if they won't be able to integrate with its next generation of desktop software, Windows 8, in whatever ways Windows Phone 8 will be able to.

Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 means 'cool stuff'

Microsoft hasn't given many examples of this coming Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 "synergy" -- as Sullivan puts it -- beyond NFC-enabled features such as tapping one device against another to start a game. But he hints that there will be "cool stuff" to come.

"There are a whole series of... new capabilities and features that will come that we haven't talked about and there's integration with Windows 8 that we'll demo closer to the date," he says.

Whatever these new capabilities, features and "synergies" are, anyone who owns a Windows Phone today won't be getting them without buying new hardware.

Of course, there are some new features that existing Windows Phone hardware would never have got via a software update because they require superior hardware -- such as Windows Phone 8's support for multi-core chipsets, higher screen resolutions, NFC technology and user-expandable storage.

"A lot of the work in Windows Phone 8 is related to the latest generation of hardware -- and so having multi-core support on an existing single core device it can't exploit that," says Sullivan. "If you think about the 800x480 screen [Windows Phone 7/7.5/7.8 devices have] today -- a couple of years ago that was a high-end screen, now it's actually our low-end screen going forward.

Windows Phone 8 interface

"One of the things that [Windows Phone 8] does is it's really an investment that sets us up for the very long term," he continues. "In terms of the fundamental headspace that the architecture has, the room to grow. The architecture's the same software that runs huge datacentres. All of the servers that manage petabytes of data for Bing utilise this OS architecture that will now be on your phone, so from scaling upwards to significant huge online transaction processing with 64 cores per virtual machine in these clusters of servers that do really really big computing, the identical architecture is now in your pocket.

"That's a significant development that will give us a lot of room to grow over the years and so it will be a long time before we have another such generational shift.

"Our existing single-core phones compete very, very favourably with existing multi-core devices in the marketplace today. And the Lumia 900 is a fantastic phone that will continue to get better over the coming months and I think the folks that have one are generally very happy with that," Sullivan adds.

Windows Phone 7 -- doomed by design

With Windows Phone 7 having such a brief lifespan, it begs the question why did Microsoft bother with it at all -- why not launch right off with Window Phone 8?

The simple truth is it couldn't afford to wait that long. It needed to get a rung on the ladder to ensure a chance of catching up with Android and iOS.

In other words, it needed people to start buying into Windows Phone to make it worth developers' time and effort to make apps for the platform -- apps needed to convince more people to buy Windows Phones in future.

"It was important for us to establish this new approach in user experience and begin to build the developer ecosystem," says Sullivan. "Those are necessary but not sufficient steps to establish a new platform and we didn't want to wait until [we were able to launch Windows Phone 8] to begin that because we're maintaining those core characteristics of the platform.

"[Windows Phone 7 has] been an important part of our mobile strategy," he says. "It's this new user paradigm, with the Metro style and design language, and the new app platform, which we also announced last week has 100,000 apps, which is a very significant milestone in terms of the platform's critical mass.

"We're at a point now where we have operator relationships, we've begun to establish the different approach in user experience that we take, we now have a critical mass of apps... and [Windows Phone 8] is not a start over -- this is an extension of that.

"We knew that we would be moving to this architecture which is why we had the application platform approach that we had -- so that all those apps would continue to run."

If Microsoft knew it would be shifting its kernel, did it at least consider telling Windows Phone fans that this would be happening sooner than it has told them? Windows Phones such as the Nokia Lumia 900 are but a few months old and some buyers might have preferred to wait for a Windows Phone 8 device.

Windows Phone 8 interface

"It's interesting because I got asked today why did we talk so soon about it -- why did we talk so far in advance?" says Sullivan. "The reality of it is those of us who are in this industry and know exactly what version number of OS or update build number we have on are phone are different than the rest of the population. We're special. We gadget nerds are special and we really care deeply about every piece of the technology we use and understand it at a pretty deep level.

"If you look at the Android install base, for example, the average person doesn't know what version of the OS is installed on their device. Even if you look at Android's marketing, it's kind of the phone for people who think it would be cool to turn into a robot. Not everybody thinks that would be cool.

"And to regular people the idea of recompiling your kernel doesn't sound like a fun way to spend an afternoon, but some of us are special... The idea is that updates are very important to a very influential and passionate subset of the user base... The overwhelming majority of Android users do not upgrade -- mostly because they're not given the ability to do so and even when they are, often they don't.

"So we have a generational shift in our platform. We are doing it as part of an intended sequence of events in bringing Windows Phone to the market. It's deliberate and I think that's evidenced by the care we've shown in that apps will continue to run, the investment in apps will be maintained, and that the key parts of the user experience we've developed will come back to existing users, so we think this is really the best approach that has enabled us to deliver the meaningful set of values that is going to be relevant on existing hardware and at the same time taking full advantage of new hardware."

Microsoft wants the middle of the mobile road

So what's the idea behind the homescreen redesign? "What we heard is that users wanted to make the homescreen even more their own," says Sullivan. "And the ability to control the tile size does that. They wanted to see more at once, so using the whole screen does that and then they also wanted more theme colours."

The result appears like a very orderly Android homescreen, with large tiles that are effectively widgets, positioned next to smaller tiles (also widget-esque) and tiles so small they are effectively icons, because they display only very basic updates such as the number of unread emails in your inbox.

Windows Phone owners can currently choose from 10 colours of tiles displayed on either a black or a white background.

"There will be a few more colours," says Sullivan, hinting through choice of words that the number of extra shades won't be humungous. Also don't expect to be able to wallpaper Windows Phone 8 devices with patterns. Paisley or tartan lovers are out of luck -- Microsoft remains wedded to Windows Phone's distinctive, solid blocks of colour.

"There's a fine line between too much ability to customise and [not enough]," says Sullivan. "We're usually very good at that at Microsoft -- let's expose all of the dials and levers to you and see how infinitely customisable we are, but that is not always the best approach."

Being too controlling isn't good either though, says Sullivan, making a dig at the iPhone -- he reckons any two iPhone owners' homescreens are more similar than he is to his identical twin brother.

"Today I would argue Windows Phone with our live tiles does a better job of accurately reflecting and presenting the things you care about," he says. "I have an identical twin brother and we are genetically clones but my start screen and his are vastly different because... our lives are different, we're different people.

"I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the iPhone their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother."

The Windows Phone philosophy is to take a middle road, says Sullivan, between the tightly controlled and thus more limiting approach of Apple with its iPhone, and the sometimes chaotic but nonetheless liberated free-for-all of Google's Android OS.

Windows Phone 8 interface

Windows Phones come in a variety of form factors but the OS has the same look and feel on all of them.

"Apple you have one choice of hardware. Android you have an overwhelming degree of choice -- some of which don't necessarily provide the best of breed user experience," says Sullivan. "[With Windows Phone] you get the benefits of the vertical model in consistency of user experience and the benefits of choice of the horizontal model in hardware and form factor. That's but one dimension where we've tried to achieve that."

Of course merely offering a handful of hardware choices and having a homescreen that displays app icons hasn't stopped Apple selling truckloads of its i-Devices -- millions and millions more than Windows Phones have been flogged. Microsoft's share of the smart phone market in the first quarter of this year was pegged by analyst house Gartner at just 1.9 per cent -- a figure that incorporates sales of its previous OS, Windows Mobile, as well as Windows Phones. (Apple's share was 22.9 per cent.)

Nor has Android's rich biodiversity of hardware and software choice stopped a veritable army of Androids marching into people's pockets -- Gartner calculates its share at 56.1 per cent for Q1 this year. And all the while Windows Phone remains so far behind Android and iOS even Meatloaf wouldn't think it looks any closer than it is.

Windows Phone 8 hardware -- choice but not too much

Microsoft hasn't yet announced the hardware specifications for Windows Phone 8 devices but, discussing new hardware, Sullivan says Windows Phone 8 will include both high-end and mid-range smart phones -- hinting that it's unlikely to push too far down to the very budget end of the smart phone spectrum.

Although he also notes that one way to allow cheaper Windows Phone 8 devices to creep into the market would be to utilise the new features of support for user expandable storage and support for different screen resolutions.

"One of the things that several screen resolutions and user expandable storage will do is that if you think about the 800x480 screen today... if you add to that a device with a minimal amount of storage built in initially to lower the building materials and the cost of the phone, but have it be end user expandable then you can maintain an offering in that lower price band or at least in that mid-range, so I think we'll continue to have a broad range of offerings from the high end through the mid-range," he says.

Even though there will be a handful of new screen resolutions, Sullivan stresses Microsoft's plan with Windows Phone 8 is not to loosen its grip and open up "a huge spectrum" of pixel-density choice.

"That's by design. We don't want to be Android. The fragmentation associated with having multiple screen resolutions and primarily aspect ratios... we really wanted to minimise any impact so we're very deliberate. Today we have a 15:9 aspect ratio -- WVGA -- and we're adding another 15:9 and a 16:9 so our aspect ratios are very close. And in the case where they're not identical, the system is going to do some scaling so apps will just work.

"If you as a developer want to maximise every pixel of resolution you have the ability to do that but you can have one binary that runs across all screen resolutions and the system will scale up accordingly," says Sullivan. "That's an important balance -- we want to support things like 720p to support hi-def screens but we want to do so in a way that presents a consistent platform for developers."

Microsoft's view is that too much choice hurts a platform in the long run -- something it learned from its earlier mobile effort, Windows Mobile, says Sullivan.

"Over the long term [fragmentation style] challenges make it more difficult for a platform to maintain momentum," he says. "We had that approach with Windows Mobile, frankly -- the hardware manufacturers could put it on a wide range of devices even some at what I'll call the low end of the power curve and I think you've seen the same thing today with Android and the result is inconsistent user experience, inconsistent developer platform, inconsistent user experience at a very high level -- it just looks and interacts with completely differently -- and so it really gets challenging once that complexity reaches a certain degree which I would argue it kind of has [with Android].

"So we want to provide flexibility for [manufacturers] to build new types of screens and have new resolutions and maintain the consistency of the platform."

HTC, Huawei, Nokia and Samsung have already been outed as planning to stamp their names on Windows Phone 8 hardware, but Sullivan suggests Microsoft is hopeful some more mobile makers will sign up soon.

"We obviously have relationships with many manufacturers and will probably have more announcements to make as we get towards launch," he says.

Asked whether we'll be seeing Nokia's exceptional camera phone technology -- just launched on the Symbian-based 808 PureView -- on the Windows Phone 8 platform, Sullivan says: "That's the hope."

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anonymous 2 July, 2012 16:39

Technology moves forward, apps made for the latest iPod and iPhones wouldn't run on the first generation hardrware, it's just the re-branding of naming it Windows Phone 8 that makes it different.

All iPhones are on iOS 5 but they have different features and can't all run the same apps a big one being Siri and others that require better hardware.

Developers can make their Windows Phone 8 applications run on Windows Phone 7.5 if they want to so I don't see this as a big problem at all! Just the way things go :)

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anonymous 2 July, 2012 17:04

Actually a good article. I was wrong about you being a Hack.

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Mark Anderson 2 July, 2012 17:29

*sigh*

I see CNET are still trying to make an issue out of WP7 not being upgraded to WP8. Isn't it amazing how this seems to bother people, like Natasha, who don't use Windows Phone and not those who do?

One of my phones is an iPhone 3GS. It could, if Apple let me, run Siri and the new navigation coming in iOS 6, yet they will not allow this. So tell me, Natasha, what's actually worse - MS being up front in saying we won't get the update but will get the enhancements the hardware and OS can support or Apple deliberately withholding functionality?

It's a non-issue. Stop looking for a problem where there isn't one.

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anonymous 2 July, 2012 23:58

This decision by Microsoft to burn everyone who adopted the phone early proves how much the company really cares about its fans. I bought my Lumia when it first came out (NOT LONG AGO) and I have had software/hardware issues ever since. Worst decision ever and this is now the icing on the cake.

Apple please take me back, I will never touch a Microsoft/Nokia product again!

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 00:00

...and anyone who shelled out (a lot more) for a Google Nexus One got less than 14 months of updates. If 7.8 arrives in September I'll have got 21 months of updates for my Optimus 7, so which OS provides better value?

I also know that, if I decide to keep my 7 phone, Microsoft will probide security updates and bug fixes for many years to come - I don't think you can say that with any kind of confidence with Android, especially when you factor in the multiple customisations, screen resolutions and carrier tests you have to get through.

I also think that, if you honestly believe that developers will stop making apps for the several million 7 phones the day 8 comes out, it would go some way to explaining why you're a journo, rather than someone who maes things for a living. developers will make 7 apps for a long time to come, especially while Nokia has to keep Lumia users happy.

Not a good article at all, with its' over-simplistic view of how smartphones function with real users in the real world. The late-adopters don't care about Andriod or Windows Phone or even ios. They want something that "just works". Windows phone delivers this much more than Android, and at a much lower price than Apple. I'm not saying that Windows Phone will ever rule the world but there is definitely a significant niche for its abilities.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 00:28

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 02:33

I haven't seen more bullcrap in an interview with a MS representative in my whole life... but to make things worse, the army of MS fanboys just won't shut the hell up. Let me remind you how MS works:

1. $6 billion spent, 6 years in the making and when it's finally out in the wild, it's crap. Yup, that's Vista for y'all, and the exact same army of fanboys that lauds WinPho now kept praising that retarded piece of software back then, until Ballmer admitted the obvious in 2010 : "Vista was badly executed" (just google that for your reference). I suppose the robot army is still using it ...
2. when WP7 came out, they cut off everybody that was using WinMo 6.x from upgrades. Officially, that was "a complete platform reboot". Now we're rebooting it again... So if I'm a buyer, I'm getting something that has no future, but MS hides that from me so they can bone Nokia as they please until it's worth nothing, just like my phone. By comparison, my Galaxy S 2 was the first to come out with Gingerbread, but I got ICS this year and JellyBean will most probably run on it too (possibly even what comes after JB).
3. when WP7 came out, they clearly said: NO FRAGMENTATION. But, hey, it's Microsoft, who cares about customers? Enter Tango, with lower HW specifications, therefore not all apps will run on this new iteration (check Engadget's article about Angry Birds on this). But wait, there's more! WP7 will NOT run apps for WP8!!! Because we're friggin' rebooting the platform stupid! And while we're doing it, you're supposed to keep your eyes shut and not look at Apple or Google, mkay?

Need I remind you all about KIN or Zune? Robbie Bach himself, in an interview to The Verge, confessed how piss-poor their strategy was with Zune and how they got ownd by Apple. Seen RIM already? yeah, that's how these potato-heads over in Redmond will be like in just 1 year with their so-call "reboot"...I just hope the Zune/Vista/WinPho potato-heads go down with it too.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 03:01

@anonymous 3 July, 2012 02:33
Really?
Not everyone is a fanboy. I buy whichever phone I like best at time of upgrade.
I have a windows phone and I am content with 7.8. iPhone's have different features available even when running the same os. This is almost what microsoft have done, they just haven't used the same system of numbering, not saying either way is better.
With upgrades averaging 18 months, I know I will be able to upgrade, and if windows phone 8 is the one I like I will happily get it knowing that it will be updated in that 18 month period. Apps are still likely to be supported. Security updates will be.

Now every company operates based on profits. They don't do things deliberately to piss consumers off, just what they think will make the most money. Sometimes being loyal to customers makes them stay loyal to you, thus making money. No company operates differently. Google, Microsoft and Apple. Neither is worse or better. They operate based on money. You are nothing but a microsoft hating person, with no good reason. Vista was bad. But then every company makes mistakes. Microsoft are trying to avoid making those mistakes again, and 7 was a big way of making up for that and reassuring consumers about the quality of windows. Do not be so naive as to think that microsoft will not be around in a year. They have enough money and market share to lose traction and still be around for a decade. Look at RIM, they are falling fast but are still not out. Fool

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 04:24

I'm very excited about WP8 and I've owned both an iPhone and Android. Both we're great phones, but I trust Google far more than Apple. Although I will say if you want an update you have to do cyanogenmod, cuz Samsung or HTC couldn't care less. I've entertained getting a galaxy SIII, but really want something different.

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Keith Jones 3 July, 2012 04:46

I'm currently using a 20mo old HD7. I'm looking forward to the 7.8 update, and I will be looking for a WP8 phone (Nokia) when i'm off contract. My HD7 will get passed down to one of my children. I've used an iphone and didn't care for it. I'm not imressed with most of the Android phones. I'm not a power user. I don't really see the need to 600K apps. I only use a few myself. I can reliably get online, check email, make phone calls and get "unlost" when necessary. My phone never shuts off on its own accord. All in all, htis is everything I need from a phone. it isn't a fashion statement. It is an alarmclock at night, and a phone during the day. Lets get real people...

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 06:40

I have a hard time believing this article. MS expects me to believe that they were developing WP7 at the same time as WP8 while also developing the Kin? Ok...

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Mark Anderson 3 July, 2012 07:28

"but to make things worse, the army of MS fanboys just won't shut the hell up."

Summary: I don't own a Windows Phone and hate MS but just thought I state my opinion even though I don't like anyone else stating theirs.

Incidentally, according to Statcounter, Vista is still used by more people than every single version of OS X combined and sold over 400 million copies. Some 'failure', huh?

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 08:34

Anyone working in I.T. over the last 30 years knows that Microsoft have gotten rich by being the best salesmen in the world. Who else would dare to release untested products onto the market and get the buyers to test for free AFTER they have parted with their cash? I for one would never willingly buy anything from them for the same dodgy tactics as reported here. Apple are no better with their restrictive practices. Snake oil salesmen the lot of them

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 09:13

So the first Windows Phone Users are really Beta testers!!! WT&!

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cosmin_ciuc 3 July, 2012 09:41

There are still some features that I believe can be implemented on Windows Phone 7. Many of these features which are hardware independent have been requested by the current users on Feature Suggestion Box forum. What will happen with these features? They will be implemented only in Windows Phone 8? I don’t think that is fair.

Let me give you some examples of such features:
1. change the font size for the SMS text
2. change the font size for the fields of an address book entry
3. have different volume settings for ringtone and other system notifications
4. editing the original e-mail text before replying to it or forwarding it. Right now you simply can’t hide the e-mail sender’s address when you forward an e-mail.
5. automatically switch from 3G to EDGE when your phone is locked. Switch back to 3G when you start browsing the Internet or start an application which uses data connection
6. support more languages
7. configure in detail how call forwarding is performed
8. turn of e-mail checking during night (define peak-times for e-mail checking)

On UserVoice forum there are many other useful feature suggestions that I believe could be implemented in WP 7. I would like very much to know what Microsoft plans to do with those. I don’t think I’m the only one who wants to know this.

Thank you.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 10:08

Most people who bought Windows Phone 7 (like me) bought it with Windows Phone 7 in mind, not Windows Phone 8, 9 or 10 etc. With re3gard to what is actually in the Window 7.8 upgrade, no one expect Microsoft and its partners fully know. The announcement they made a couple of weeks ago was pointed at developers NOT at consumers, so was not rich on new features. I own a Focus S, I always buy out right rather than get tied into multi-year contracts so upgrading is expensive for me, but I don't mind. It means I can upgrade when I want and this means selling the Focus S in December :-)

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cosmin_ciuc 3 July, 2012 12:33

@anonymous 3 July, 2012 10:08

Good luck to you in selling your Focus S in December. :-) Somehow I doubt you'll find somebody who would buy it.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 13:44

Pointless article - FUD spreading!

It was shortly after MS released Windows 7 that they announced they were already working on Windows 8. If you don't have any idea of what next great software to make, then it simply means there's no vision.
I have a Windows Phone 7, just got the Tango update this morning and i love my phone. Yes Windows Phone 8 comes out soon, and when i'm due for an upgrade I'll gladly pick up another WP8 device.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 13:58

I have WP7 gen 1 and gen 2. This 7.8 vs. 8 doesn't bother me at all and I'll be one of the first to buy a Windows Phone 8 device. My Nexus One only got a couple updates. My HTC Jetstream got ZERO updates and will be stuck on the OS it shipped with. And while Apple calls the next OS a version number that all devices receive, they certainly get more crippled as newer phones are released.

Had they told me on the very day that Windows Phone was released that version 8 would require new hardware, it wouldn't have changed my decision one but. Windows Phone 7 is STILL 10 times better than the hacked up crap that Android is fragmenting out (ICS JUST reached 10% adoption and they've already started pushing Jellybean - genius, Google. Genius). And iOS has been stagnant since the second major rev.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 15:35

No patterned wallpaper! A tile full screen size, if it were to be allowed by the OS, could be made to mimic a wallpaper.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 16:20

I've had a Windows Phone 7 for over 18 months. I can honestly say the fact it isn't upgrading to 8 doesn't bother me. I'd much rather get a new phone and the OS do well, meaning better quality for the app stores.

Think about it, you often get upgrades every 12-18 months with you phone dealer anyway and new OS is always buggy. So hold onto your WP7 for 6 months after WP8 releases, let them fix the bugs, then be happy that you got an upgrade :)

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 17:58

Who writes something like this and doesn't feel like a whining child?

Phones aren't meant to last forever. I've got a 7. I'll buy an 8 when the time comes.

Imagine if people had these kinds of fits over everything they bought? It's shamefully embarrassing.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 17:58

Who writes something like this and doesn't feel like a whining child?

Phones aren't meant to last forever. I've got a 7. I'll buy an 8 when the time comes.

Imagine if people had these kinds of fits over everything they bought? It's shamefully embarrassing.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 17:59

Who writes something like this and doesn't feel like a whining child?

Phones aren't meant to last forever. I've got a 7. I'll buy an 8 when the time comes.

Imagine if people had these kinds of fits over everything they bought? It's shamefully embarrassing.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 17:59

Who writes something like this and doesn't feel like a whining child?

Phones aren't meant to last forever. I've got a 7. I'll buy an 8 when the time comes.

Imagine if people had these kinds of fits over everything they bought? It's shamefully embarrassing.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 17:59

Who writes something like this and doesn't feel like a whining child?

Phones aren't meant to last forever. I've got a 7. I'll buy an 8 when the time comes.

Imagine if people had these kinds of fits over everything they bought? It's shamefully embarrassing.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 17:59

Who writes something like this and doesn't feel like a whining child?

Phones aren't meant to last forever. I've got a 7. I'll buy an 8 when the time comes.

Imagine if people had these kinds of fits over everything they bought? It's shamefully embarrassing.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 18:05

Windows Phone quickly created the fragmentation that they were trying to avoid and in record time. You still can't send files over bluetooth, drag and drop files to and from the phone. You are forced to use Zune syncing software which is so retarded I can't tell you. You can't even have your own personalized wallpaper! There is no file manager- The lack of features is staggering. What a piece of crap OS! How can someone complain about Android when it can do so much more than WP. There are free launchers that look just like WP on Android. People say they don't like having to tinker so much and like their phone to just 'work'- Well, you don't HAVE to tinker, you just happen to have the option on Android. On WP, you don't even have the option. There aren't any 'features' in WP that I can even tell. There are only lack of features.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 18:10

ME? I love my Windows Phone. Will I upgrade it to a Win Phone 8? Nope. I'm grandfathered into unlimited data on verizon. Upgrading to a new one will cost me my data . .and the cost for a new phone. Am I bitter about missing out on the Win Phone 8? While I'm not thrilled, how often does that happen with other devices? And I'll wait till I can get one on ebay, unlocked, that I can activate without losing my data package.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 19:25

A person bought a new windows phone 8 one month prior to the 18th month of it's life span and got crushed again, like the Lumia 900 users. That's just great!

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metromalenyc 3 July, 2012 20:09

I imagine that some WP7 users will be upset (particularly the Lumia owners), but the reality is that it's a great phone nonetheless & the phones were sold a huge discount, so most consumers will probably shrug it off. I bought a Samsung Focus S last November & I'm not upset. And my mom owns a Titan & I'm sure she's not even aware that there's a new OS coming out or what version she's using (though she probably knows it's a Windows Phone).

Either way, this won't deter me from upgrading to WP8 when it comes out, though I won't be upgrading hers.

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 20:52

I like thes phone

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anonymous 3 July, 2012 21:54

never again have anything to do with windows phone just a waste of money.

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anonymous 4 July, 2012 01:46

lol. I bought a Lumia 900 knowing that Win 8 was coming out and not knowing if it was upgradable. I don't care. Win 7.5 works just fine and after having owned an android, blackberry and an IPhone I can say without a doubt that this is the best operating system I've owned. When my contract is up, I'll upgrade to Win 8...probably around the time Win 9 is coming out :)

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anonymous 4 July, 2012 03:08

Fool me once (HTC Surround - a singlularly horrible phone that you can damage just by removing the back panel to access the battery or SIM)?

Shame on thee...

Fool me twice?

Shame on me.

Microsoft's lost a customer here. I don't care how fricking awesome WP8 will be - this is worse than how Apple treats their customers.

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anonymous 4 July, 2012 03:53

All those who compare WP7.5 with ios and andriod, yes its true iphone 3gs did not get siri n etc features and many android phone running 2.3 wont get ICS, but those OSs are well established and complete in itself as compared to WP7.5 which is still half baked and many like me bought a WP7.5 device only to expect it to get WP8 upgrade and i've bought a unlocked nokia lumia 800, so are you expecting me to buy a new 500$ phone every year?

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anonymous 4 July, 2012 11:17

This article is really interesting. I can see a lots of people arguing about the windows phone but has any of you got one or do you know anyone got one? It might look like a silly question but I'm living in the UK working in one of the biggest university hospital know hundreds of people see thousands of people visiting the hospital but honestly I don't know anyone who owes a windows phone or know someone who owes a windows phone. Everyone in UK I know got an android or iphone.

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anonymous 4 July, 2012 13:27

Why would you need a personalised wallpaper. the tiles cover the majority of the screen. you wouldn't see it. and it would destroy the crisp lines and contrast between the tiles and background. I have had no problems with my samsung omnia 7 which I have owned for 16 months.
Im due an upgrade in august but i will hold out until wp8 comes out. Thats my choice.
Just to put it in perspective the mobile phone industry has been the fastest moving gadget industry for years. name one other gadget you will update between once a year to 2 years.
With most people being misguided into a 2 year contract from there carrier if you bought a wp7 at the launch you should be due an upgrade right on schedule for a wp8 really so worked out nicely.
on that note lets think back to when you could get the latest handset in the uk on a 12month contract for say £20 a month.
I had a nokia 6230i that handset direct from nokia store was worth over £300 whats changed.
APPLE! when o2 released the iphone suddenly £50 a month was ok over 18months mugs and they dropped pretty much all other smart phones on there personal range.
Maybe the iphone is amazing now but the original was crap even my friends that bought into it called it "I PRETEND TO BE A PHONE" and were amazed at what other peoples samsungs and sony's could do. I owned a second hand windows 5 phone that could do everything the apple did at launch and more well except capacitive touch.
Android is the platform we all should dream of but its badly managed. we all need control but do we take communism dictatorship (apple), sensible amount of freedoms and libertys given to us by microsoft or the true anarchy and chaos of the android world.
in the end the choice is ours or is it?
Rant over Orange J

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anonymous 4 July, 2012 15:49

Apps will be forward compatible. Wp7 apps will work on Wp8. Its not backwards compatible, meaning Wp8 apps wont work on Wp7.

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Sonicfan1373 4 July, 2012 17:10

The Lumia line up has been perfect for me, especially the Lumia 710. I previously had an iPhone, and it was very good but I dropped it and it broke. I did not purchase another iPhone because it was far too expensive and many of its features did not really fit me (mainly due to its small screen). In fact, I felt that my iPad was far more useful than the iPhone. I also tried the higher end Android 4.0 side of phones, and they were very cool and the screen was larger but still not quite large enough to make some of the more advance features worth while. The lower end Androids were not very good, either those phones were running an outdated version of Android (often 2.3 or 2.2) or they ran 4.0 extremely slowly. The Lumia 710 on the other hand was priced similarly to the lower end Androids but it ran far more smoothly. It does not offer some of the advance features that the iPhone or Android offer, but I really would not appreciate these features on a small screen (which the Lumia also has), and once again it was affordable.

The Windows Phone 7.5 OS that comes on the device is quite smooth and nice, and the device has all the apps I need. They have however missed some features that I do hope they bring in Windows Phone 7.8. One of them is to have the ability to run Skype in the background (or integrated into the phone like in Windows Phone 8). The other feature would be to add the ability to scrub through videos using a handle (real-time scrubbing) on sites like Youtube. Improvements to the Maps application would also be nice, but I feel the other two features I mentioned are more important.

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anonymous 4 July, 2012 18:38

Microsoft has ditched its first admirers, suppose this may be end up being a serious blow to them, b4 they even realize n start making offers.... I have had an htc radar for the last 6 months n have had loads of prob both with hardware n software had to reset twice.. Thanks now I can get back to apple, without a hitch in my mind...

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Mark Anderson 4 July, 2012 18:46

So...

"What a piece of crap OS! How can someone complain about Android when it can do so much more than WP."

Translation: I don't have a WP but thought I'd moan anyway.

"and got crushed again, like the Lumia 900 users."

Translation: I don't have a WP but thought I'd moan anyway.

"never again have anything to do with windows phone just a waste of money."

Translation: I don't have a WP but thought I'd moan anyway.

"Fool me twice?"

Translation: I bought a phone released 18 months ago and am moaning about it now.

"Microsoft has ditched its first admirers"

Translation: I didn't read the bit about WP7.8

Same old, same old...

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anonymous 4 July, 2012 21:56

This article is written by an ignorant resource - people who got their Windows Phone 7 20 months ago and paid a relatively low fee for their handset will NOT be upset about having to purchase new hardware... it's been 12-18 or even 20 months since you've had your Windows 7 device, so it is time to get a new piece of hardware, great stuff - bring on Windows 8.

(This ignorant article was written from the perspective of an iPhone Customer who spent a fortune on their handset so need to ring 3 years worth of value out of it else cry themselves to sleep about what a hole they just blew in their wallet)

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anonymous 5 July, 2012 02:06

The people saying that there are new apps that work on an iPhone4 which wont work on a first gen iPhone are missing the point... all apps which work on a first gen iphone work on the latest iPhone. Backward compatible. I can run most old Windows based software on my latest Windows PC, even if I have to run the virtual PC that is supplied with it.
But I cannot run software developed for Windows Mobile 5, which worked on WM6 or 6.5, on my WM7.5 handset. And if I had spent my time creating a version of my software for my WM7.5 handset, I would have to ditch that and start again for WM8. And that is why I now have a very expensive phone - and solely a phone. I cannot use it for anything else. I got it to have a window on the next gen Microsoft environment... and it is now a doorstop. Thanks M$.

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anonymous 5 July, 2012 04:50

Stupid article, seen it all before. Especially with Apple and Google.

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Mark Anderson 5 July, 2012 07:49

@anonymous

"all apps which work on a first gen iphone work on the latest iPhone."

And all apps that work on WP7.5 will work on WP8. On the other hand, all apps written for the iPhone 4S will not work on an original iPhone.

Also comparing Windows Mobile to Windows Phone is like comparing the Newton to the iPhone, you know, as they're completely different operating systems and all.

"Thanks M$"

Translation: I don't have a WP but thought I'd moan anyway.

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anonymous 5 July, 2012 08:15

Who the hell keeps a phone for more than 2 years anyway. Isheep trade up with every release.

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anonymous 5 July, 2012 08:23

I think people need to stop worrying about Iphone and Android etc, Windows Phone is what it is, they needed a way into the market to spark interest, I got rid of my IPHONE 4 to get a HTC Titan, I loved my IPHONE, however I could never go back, its so boring and static, windows phone is spot on and if they have developed a way to take it even further and spark more developer interest then happy days, the way I see it if I did't get a Titan I would still have an IPHONE and I would not have enjoyed the last 12 months of this awesome mobile operating system, when I am next due an upgrade (Jan) I will get the next version and that will sit nicely with my Windows Tablet and my Xbox all nicely integrated.

Remember people each to their own. I also have an IPAD, a PlayStation and an IPOD before anyone says I am another Microsoft biased person, it aint that I just appreciate good tech.

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anonymous 5 July, 2012 22:16

Darn, even more confused after this article and subsequent comments. I bought the Nokia 900 with wp os about 9 days ago. At best buy I can return it no questions asked for 30 days. I have not used the iphone, but have an Ipod touch which I believe is just the iphone without the cell phone. It's okay, but when I came to get my first smart phone with data plan, I like the features of the lumina 900 and found emails etc. to hard to read on my Ipod touch, which is the identical size as the iphone (wifi at home to check emails etc.). To be honest I love the Nokia and find most things about it just easier than my apple product. I do agree that Zune is perhaps the biggest piece of #$@! software I have ever seen.
However I can't help but feel cheated (once again) by MicroSoft, I asked the Best Buy people if window 8 would be able to be upgraded on my phone and they didn't know, but lead be to believe that it would. Funny because they had just got done telling me how the MicroSoft Rep. had just left the store and showed them really cool stuf that the phone could do and now they like it.
I would be interested in what any of you have to say about what I should do. Should I return it and get an Iphone, or just bite the bullet, enjoy the phone and pay off microsoft again in a few months? In the mean time you can bet no apps that are not free will be downloaded on my new phone.

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anonymous 5 July, 2012 22:49

So the only reason for WP7 was to lure Nokia away from their own MeGoo ?

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Dog Zero 6 July, 2012 17:54

Windows 7 is a fantastic os in its own right, Cnet's apple zombies will not give anyone else any credit. Your Pathetic.

Deleting cnet from my fav list, you talk bollocks

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Ultraman1966 6 July, 2012 18:24

The user above with a Lumia 900, return it and get the Android equivalent!

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Asif Bashir 9 July, 2012 14:32

Damn I am glad I sent back my Lumia 900 I cannot believe Microsoft are going to do this by upping up to 7.8 yet no one not even those with a Lumia 900 will get Windows 8.

I think that is why a lot of the companies like HTC and Samsung stuck with Android and supported that more because Microsoft wanted to deploy 'screw em' to everyone so by having a handset with the latest and greatest meant that we could then easily upgrade to Windows 8 - something Microsoft does not want us to do but in fact wants us to to get a new phone.

Well Microsoft luckily I played it smart and I rid myself of Windows phone and went to Samsung Galaxy S3 with all its wonderful and advanced features, when Microsoft does deploy WIndows 8 phones I doubt its going to be any better than an S3.

I used to support Microsoft then I woke up and realised they keep stabbing me in the back.

Microsoft enter the market at the wrong time, they did that with Zune and it got silently shut down :-( I still have my Zune HD.

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anonymous 12 July, 2012 04:25

Nokia's phones with WP are nothing but crap! That simple. I own Nokia 5800. It is a beautiful phone even for today's iphone alike standards. It is a fantastic phone. Actually, it is a shame that my four years Nokia is a lot more modern then the Lumia's or Asha's, at least in what counts to me. You can share your file through BT. There is a file manager. I can save phone memory by using the slot card (or increase the phone small memory). I can save all of a certain contact information (mobile phone, home phone, work phone, e-mail, etc) under one name instead of separated. Nokia's wasted their hardware on WP and I'd rather buy anything based in 808 Pureview and its dying OS than WP. I am almost moving to Android as a matter of fact, but I'll wait to see what they will release based in 808 Pureview (as rumor has it). By the way... has someone reported a blue screen of death already?

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anonymous 12 July, 2012 16:07

My Windows Phone 7 is on contract. The contract commenced last November for 24 months. So that means I'd already bought an outdated phone even though I was one of the first to get the Nokia Lumia 700. I understood that I was buying a new phone and operating system that would get updates for at least the life of the phone and some decent apps. Talk about getting royally ripped off! Afraid Microsoft won't catch me out again because I don't intend getting a Windows phone again. They've lost me as a customer.

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anonymous 13 July, 2012 11:19

I have Lumia 800, love it, when I bought it, already knew what it could offer and could not, already knew 900 coming out, nevertheless, I don't mind buying it, why all the articles online tried to persuade users to think that we are abandoned?

If the current phone is making me satisfied, why should I waste my time on being crazy to make update? after all, a cell phone is a cell phone, not a computer.

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anonymous 16 July, 2012 06:41

With all due respect this whole complaining is a lot of BS. Since mobile phones are consumer devices, and as such have a life cycle of two years at most, this article is just about nitpicking. Do I like what MS is always doing? HELL NO. But are they any worse than Apple or Google? HELL NO. All of them are using the fallibility of consumers to make more money. Natasha, as any good football fan is not rooting for her team whoever they are but badmouthing the others. Technically MS could not come up with Phone 8 two years ago, because Win 8 was not there yet and an ARM based embedded version was in its infancy. Do I like it? I am not sure, because it means that the image of the OS will be huge, hundreds of MBs compared to the tens of MBs of a Win CE based image. As for backward app compatibility, if app makers will see a market, and their apps are .NET based it should be an easy task for them to port .NET apps to phone 7. (well maybe not metro apps).

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anonymous 22 July, 2012 23:33

Honestly, while I am sure current Windows Phone users are a bit miffed, I don't think Windows Phone 8 would add anything crucial to older phones. And fragmenting in this case seems totally excusable. I for one am insanely excited for this integrated approach with Windows 8. So much so that the prospect of having a Windows 8 desktop, Windows 8 tablet and Windows 8 phone seems a pretty convincing way to go.

Honestly, for years it's been kinda like I wanna play games and build cheap PC's, so my only choice is Windows. Windows 7 was actually pretty great, but obviously by now it's getting a little behind the time. Windows 8 feels like everything Microsoft need at the moment, and I'm incredibly, incredibly excited to see the company make such a brilliant step forward into the mobile space while bringing desktops into that arena too.

Maybe I'm just a Windows 8 fanboy, but mark my words Microsoft are making the best business decisions they've made in absolutely years right now. This is a magical year for them (and next year when most of this is realised), and I hope they're proud of themselves.

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anonymous 27 July, 2012 23:34

Purchased a Lumia 800 with a 2 Years contract, now only 1 Year 10 Months more to go, TYVM for providing a great service MS. With such integrity, I shall definitely remember MS schism when I decide to change this phone.

Once bitten twice shy and I personally would not trust MS or Nokia products in the near or distant future but off course those who are still to learn this bitter lesson may................

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anonymous 27 July, 2012 23:43

@ anonymous 22 July, 2012 23:33

You have fully understood this article, it is not about how great/well Win 8 in comparison to other OS, it is about MS knowingly deceived the people who supported Windows phone by not letting us consumers know that future app store products will not be compatible with Win 7.5 Mango/Win 7.8 Tango.
MS and Nokia BETRAYED ITS SUPPORTERS.

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anonymous 31 August, 2012 04:07

"MS and Nokia BETRAYED ITS SUPPORTERS" - Very True.

I remember, last time MS didn't even let me upgrade my WM 6 to WM 6.5. This time it won't let me upgrade to WP 8.

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anonymous 29 September, 2012 08:46

For some of us, this comes as no surprise. I remember the days of WinMo and the frustration with Microsoft for declaring so many devices "legacy hardware" long before their time.

When they came out with WP7 and everyone was claiming that the updates were going to be "so much better than Android," I had to laugh. I'm not saying Android is any better about updates but it's definitely no worse either.

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anonymous 20 October, 2012 14:33

I like both IOS, Android and WP. And I don't pray for Microsoft or Apple to fail. Simply because a world with more competitors is better. Image a world when most of the phones are running only IOS for example. This is simply like a dictate or communism... The beauty of having WP in the market is the beauty of diversity. I hope WP will continue to exists and i will enjoy any new WP version. Because i''m not a Apple or Android fan - that typical fun that looks exactly as arab terrorists with one desire only: die Microsoft die!

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anonymous 22 November, 2012 17:17

The dearth of great apps on Windows Phone remains a problem afflicting MSFT's chances of success in the short term, and up until now it has largely been a problem of their own creation. Their relatively terrible or at best lackluster past attempts at a smartphone have closed their one-time "window" of opportunity in this market -- i.e., to ride the wave of new and novel technology by giving the fledgling consumer market great and exciting hardware and software. All of the above is merely a restatement of the obvious.

However, the "fat lady" hasn't sung yet. I believe that many other factors will influence MSFT's offerings in this arena in the longer term, and these other factors will be important to individual consumers who are no longer amazed by the mere novelty of smartphones and cool apps. These lasting factors will include complete data sharing and integration across both personal and commercial use of mobile devices, continuing evolution of serious, utility-oriented apps (even business apps), more great phone hardware, and of course let's not forget: Windows 8 tablets, notebooks, ultrabooks, desktops, servers, etc, and the applications/data that goes with them. The importance to the mass-market typical consumer of these longer-term, broader-scope factors will continue to become more apparent and grow more and more valuable to consumers over time. And neither Apple nor Google do well in these areas.

Something to think about ...

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anonymous 26 November, 2012 01:45

"I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the iPhone their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother."

Whilst I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the Windows Phone, their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother. (And yes, I have a twin brother). Wherever did you get this silly notion that the Windows Phone is more customizable than the iPhone? Absolute nonsense. You get what, 10 colors to choose on the WP7? And a few more on WP8? What a joke! Customizability is comparable on both the iPhone and the Windows phones. Now Android, that's a different beast. I can have anything I want on my HTC! I can make it look, act and feel just like Windows Phone 8, with windows phone email client, sms, music player, lockscreen, system screens... you name it. On my 'Droid, I can also duplicate the same look and feel (including accurate keyboard) as on the iPhone.

This one's a no-brainer.

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anonymous 26 November, 2012 01:46

"I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the iPhone their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother."

Whilst I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the Windows Phone, their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother. (And yes, I have a twin brother). Wherever did you get this silly notion that the Windows Phone is more customizable than the iPhone? Absolute nonsense. You get what, 10 colors to choose on the WP7? And a few more on WP8? What a joke! Customizability is comparable on both the iPhone and the Windows phones. Now Android, that's a different beast. I can have anything I want on my HTC! I can make it look, act and feel just like Windows Phone 8, with windows phone email client, sms, music player, lockscreen, system screens... you name it. On my 'Droid, I can also duplicate the same look and feel (including accurate keyboard) as on the iPhone.

This one's a no-brainer.

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anonymous 26 November, 2012 01:47

"I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the iPhone their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother."

Whilst I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the Windows Phone, their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother. (And yes, I have a twin brother). Wherever did you get this silly notion that the Windows Phone is more customizable than the iPhone? Absolute nonsense. You get what, 10 colors to choose on the WP7? And a few more on WP8? What a joke! Customizability is comparable on both the iPhone and the Windows phones. Now Android, that's a different beast. I can have anything I want on my HTC! I can make it look, act and feel just like Windows Phone 8, with windows phone email client, sms, music player, lockscreen, system screens... you name it. On my 'Droid, I can also duplicate the same look and feel (including accurate keyboard) as on the iPhone.

This one's a no-brainer.

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anonymous 26 November, 2012 01:48

"I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the iPhone their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother."

Whilst I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the Windows Phone, their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother. (And yes, I have a twin brother). Wherever did you get this silly notion that the Windows Phone is more customizable than the iPhone? Absolute nonsense. You get what, 10 colors to choose on the WP7? And a few more on WP8? What a joke! Customizability is comparable on both the iPhone and the Windows phones. Now Android, that's a different beast. I can have anything I want on my HTC! I can make it look, act and feel just like Windows Phone 8, with windows phone email client, sms, music player, lockscreen, system screens... you name it. On my 'Droid, I can also duplicate the same look and feel (including accurate keyboard) as on the iPhone.

This one's a no-brainer.

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anonymous 26 November, 2012 01:48

"I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the iPhone their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother."

Whilst I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the Windows Phone, their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother. (And yes, I have a twin brother). Wherever did you get this silly notion that the Windows Phone is more customizable than the iPhone? Absolute nonsense. You get what, 10 colors to choose on the WP7? And a few more on WP8? What a joke! Customizability is comparable on both the iPhone and the Windows phones. Now Android, that's a different beast. I can have anything I want on my HTC! I can make it look, act and feel just like Windows Phone 8, with windows phone email client, sms, music player, lockscreen, system screens... you name it. On my 'Droid, I can also duplicate the same look and feel (including accurate keyboard) as on the iPhone.

This one's a no-brainer.

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anonymous 26 November, 2012 01:48

"I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the iPhone their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother."

Whilst I would argue that if you went out on the street and picked two people who use the Windows Phone, their phones would look more similar than me and my twin brother. (And yes, I have a twin brother). Wherever did you get this silly notion that the Windows Phone is more customizable than the iPhone? Absolute nonsense. You get what, 10 colors to choose on the WP7? And a few more on WP8? What a joke! Customizability is comparable on both the iPhone and the Windows phones. Now Android, that's a different beast. I can have anything I want on my HTC! I can make it look, act and feel just like Windows Phone 8, with windows phone email client, sms, music player, lockscreen, system screens... you name it. On my 'Droid, I can also duplicate the same look and feel (including accurate keyboard) as on the iPhone.

This one's a no-brainer.

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anonymous 1 December, 2012 15:28

Nokia make the best hardware, fact.

I have just upgraded from a Nokia N8 (truly great phone) to a Lumia 920 and although it is a good phone and would choose WP over iOS or Android, I do miss Nokia's Symbian devices. For me there was no better OS on the market.

When Apple first released the iPhone with grand statements of the iPhone can do this, the iPhone can do that I remember thinking at the time I have been doing that for years on my Symbian device! I was using apps on my phone almost a decade before the iPhone came along. All Apple have done is made it easier for the non tech minded of society.

The reason I chose WP8 is simply because Symbian is dead, Android is a mess and designed for every handset under the sun some of which it does not work properly, plus open source is great but not if it means I can screw the phone simply by downloading a rouge app and iOS is just too damn restrictive I want my phone my way not how Apple tell me I have to do it and iTunes is terrible!

At the moment the worst thing about WP8 is no support for BBC iPlayer, no file manager/explorer and you can't charge the phone whlie it is turned off! But I do believe that Microsoft will provide updates at least for the 2 years until my contract expires at which point I will simply get the next Nokia flagship phone. So I don't understand why people have an issue with not being able to upgrade the software, simply upgrade the phone!

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