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Why I want phones in cameras, not the other way around

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They say the best camera is the one you have with you -- which is why the camera is such a popular feature on phones. But as compact camera sales struggle, it's worth pointing out that a smart phone can never replace a camera. Instead, cameras should replace phones.

Why would you carry around a separate camera when your phone takes photos too? Why pay for a separate camera that locks up your pictures on a memory card when you could just share them to Facebook at the touch of a button? Because it's the right tool for the job, that's why.

Smart phone cameras may be getting better. But their biggest strength is their convenience, with image quality a distant second. I'm no camera snob: a compact camera that produces decent results is every bit as exciting to me as the most powerful dSLR, if not more so -- after all, a compact camera has less to work with.

By the same token, if a camera phone produced pictures comparable to a compact camera I would sing its praises from the rooftops.

But it's unlikely, if not impossible. It's just a question of size. A phone simply isn't big enough for a sensor or lens that can cope with tricky lighting conditions and produce decent results.

There are, of course, some excellent cameras in phones. The Samsung Galaxy S2 has a decent camera, while the HTC Evo 3D snaps in three fancy dimensions. The iPhone's clever dynamic range features and wealth of camera apps have seen it become the most popular camera on Flickr.

Possibly the best camera in a phone we've seen is the Nokia N8, a 12-megapixel behemoth with xenon flash that's capable of capturing glorious aerial photos. Sadly, the N8 was a rubbish phone.

No wonder sales of point-and-shoots dropped by 20 per cent across the industry last year, with entry-level cameras suffering hardest.

Good camera phones still aren't good cameras

The problem is the gap between what makes a good mobile phone and what makes a good camera. Mobile phones are getting slimmer, to the point that the Samsung Galaxy S3 is rumoured to measure just 7mm thick. Samsung is reported to have managed that by making the circuit boards inside the phone thinner than ever. That's great for a phone, as slim means portable.

Packed with apps and combining phone, camera, music player, TV and web browser, the smart phone is a very clever bit of kit indeed. We wouldn't be without one. We wouldn't even start banging on about jacks of all trades mastering none, because smart phones have come pretty close to mastering the Internet, video, games, maps, social networking, and generally organising our lives. Crucially though, the smart phone does these things well for a portable device -- it's a compromise.

While iPhone games are great, the iPhone is no replacement for a games console. While watching videos on your phone is a great time-filler, it's no replacement for a full-sized high-definition TV. Just because you can now watch a video or play a game when you're jammed onto a bus, you're still going to choose to watch a movie on your big-screen HDTV with ear-melting sound once you get home.

Put the phone in the camera

So when you have the choice between a camera and a phone, why would you choose a phone? Because it can upload to Facebook? Make cameras 3G -- problem solved.

The difference between a televison and a camera, or between a games console and a camera, is that the TV and the console don't look anything like a phone. But a camera does look like a phone, so when the phone does what a camera does, we start to wonder if the camera is superfluous.

Cameras should be more like phones. Touchscreens came of age the moment the iPhone came along, with its elegantly slippery scrolling and intuitive gestures. Touchscreens on cameras are becoming more prevalent, but unlike their smart phone counterparts, camera touchscreens aren't as refined and elegant.

And most importantly, it's clear that we want to share photos online: 70 billion snaps were uploaded to Facebook last year. Wi-Fi in cameras is nothing new, but it's far from the norm either. Camera manufacturers are obsessed with sticking GPS in their cameras, which is all well and good if you want to pin your pictures to a map after a trip abroad, but frankly I couldn't care less about GPS. I'd rather have 3G.

Yes, 3G. It would take ages to send a proper high-resolution picture to Facebook over 3G, but what if a camera could send a low-res, online-ready version of the picture to the web while preserving the high-quality photo on the memory card -- and replace it automatically when you connect via Wi-Fi.

That sounds like the best of both worlds to me. You'd get a better class of Facebook photos because they've been taken with proper kit, but they'd still have the speed and convenience of a mobile phone when it comes to sharing.

And once we've put 3G in a camera, we may as well make it capable of browsing the web and running apps. And when you've gone that far, why not let it make phone calls as well.

So there's your answer. Let's not put cameras in phones -- let's put phones in cameras.

Has your mobile phone completely replaced your camera? Have you compromised your standards or is a camera phone good enough? Tell us your thoughts in the comments, or on our pixel-perfect Facebook page.

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anonymous 9 February, 2012 17:29

This. Is. GENIUS.

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anonymous 9 February, 2012 17:29

brilliant. amazing. nice one.

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anonymous 9 February, 2012 18:04

A great way for the telco's to get another £10 a month out of us. I don't want 3g in my Camera, I want it to teather to my existing phone and contract.

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anonymous 9 February, 2012 18:11

has everyone forgotten the N8? the best camera phone till date?

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anonymous 9 February, 2012 20:22

The whole argument about phones being to small to accomodate a large enough sensor doesn't make sense to me. Compacts only have a 1/2.3" sensor, while most mobile phones have a 1/3.2" sensors. They are indeed a bit smaller, but not by much.

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NLips 10 February, 2012 09:17

^^ Actually the better compacts can have 1/1.6 " sensors, which are four times the area of a 1/3.2 " sensor, but require focal lengths that are double for the same field of view (i.e. thicker phones).

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Genome_UK 10 February, 2012 09:46

A silly argument if you ask me. You cant compare the camera argument to TV and gaming consoles. Both those are a lot bigger and play on a big screen and give you a different experience entirely. Your average compact camera is only slightly better than what you can get in phone cameras these days (to the extent most people wont notice, unless you were using the TOP end stuff like the Canons G series which the sort of people that just insta upload to facebook more than likely are not using). Compact cameras cant deal with complex lighting conditions either. You need a DSLR for that and that IS comparable to TV and Consoles.

Why don't you get those things (DSLR, big TV and gaming consoles) in a phone? because they are way to big to give the same functionality in you pocket (although phones and tablets are getting close to the gaming one with things like airplay but what ever).

The only thing I can take away from this is that maybe they should just add wifi to compact camears so they can just tether it to there phones 3g or there wireless network at home to upload it.

However I have a DSLR, a panasonic compact and an iPhone 4s. If i don't have my DLSR il take my iPhone 4s as the camera as its good enough for casual snaps. The compact camera basically gathers dust.

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anonymous 10 February, 2012 12:57

come on somebody make one of these!
Sony is rumordly working on a 3g snapper!

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anonymous 10 February, 2012 16:28

This is really silly. Phones are popular because you carry them with you all the time. Anything you put in the phone is welcome. Bust putting 3G in camera is just another way for telecom companies to sell their sim cards.

A phone these days is a camera, GPS, Computer, Game console, Music player and so many other things. Now why don’t we carry all these with us at the same time and add one 3g Sim in all those devices and may be after that we can carry a big 10 year old phone with us and there will not be any need to have 3G.in the phone. :-)

I like your Idea of uploading the photos taken by camera to Face book but I think we should be able to do that using our phone. No matter what you are and what you are doing you will surly carry your phone. So let’s make a universal warless connectivity system that can allow us to access photos from out cameras using the phone. Take pics with your DSLR >> watch them on your phone and upload them on face book but there should not be a need to charge memory cards or use a computer... Lets do the sane with every other device...Just sink them all with you phone real time using a high speed wireless connection with no need of router.. It can be just like Bluetooth but 100 times faster that, this will solve the problem. :-)

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anonymous 10 February, 2012 22:09

hipster alert

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anonymous 10 February, 2012 22:10

hipster alert

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anonymous 10 February, 2012 22:11

Richard Trenholm's collar doesn't match his cuffs. Which is to say his beard and ***** are a different colour to his hair. Works for me, though. In an erotic way, I mean.

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anonymous 12 February, 2012 09:15

or you could add a wifi sd card into your massive camera then send it it to your phone via the phones wifi hotpsot then upload to wherever. In these days of so much choice....it seems logic is the one being left on the shelve

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Alimus 13 February, 2012 11:34

You make a good point Rich, and there are some out there who are trying to make your dreams come true. Admittedly the Altek Leo of last year (or was it the year before?) was never to be seen again; the new Polaroid SC1630 at CES this year could up your street? At least it shows a trend in the right direction.

To be honest though I just don't think most people care enough (or understand, this one has just as many megapixels etc.) about image quality to make it a priority when choosing a phone; especially if it means compromise in other areas where they do care (and understand) such as thickness.

Having said that as above I think there could certainly be enough of a market for someone to carve out a niche, especially if like Polaroid they're coming from a market like the flagging compact market and integrate it with a popular and free OS like Android.

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Matt 14 February, 2012 11:36

Who will be the first to do this? If you take the Sony N3,5 or 7 they would be only 8 or 9 mm thicker. Is this a problem? No of course not. But what about the price, is everyone prepared to pay double or 2.5 x the price of the camera now. I don't think so. But as everything is decreasing in size, and becoming more powerful at the same time there should be a way around the price and the size don't you think. Let's bring it on developers.

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anonymous 14 February, 2012 15:55

nfc or otg in cameras and that,s all.

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