We had to be harsh with the Nokia N8, judging it the greatest touchscreen phone Nokia's ever made, but still not good enough to take on the smart phone competition. Three stars. But Nokia fans didn't like seeing us spank the object of their affection. We love our commenters and treasure every word that drops from their keyboards, so we decided it was only fair to respond to some of the feeback about our review of Nokia's current flagship phone.
We decided to pull out some of our favourite N8 comments and user reviews and shine the giant CNET UK light of truthiness on them. Needless to say, we hope you'll let us know in the comments what you think of our selection. Mad props to everyone who took the time to respond to our coverage.
First, we have to give a shout-out to Mark Anderson, who's been keeping us honest with his trenchant and forthright feedback on many of our N8 stories. On our full review, Mark said we hadn't reviewed enough of the phone's features, adding, "the solutions to all your niggles are common knowledge."
We're sorry we can't review every feature -- we try to focus on what's most important about each phone, without using up all the paper on the Internet. The sad fact is, the longer we use the N8, the less we like it. Far from learning to love Symbian 3 as we get used to it, we've run out of patience with its excessive error messages, myriad of menus, and boring-looking homescreen widgets. With our N8 as broken in as our favourite teddy, we think it's lucky to have walked away with the three stars it did get.
And although it's true that you can tweak the N8's settings to change the menu from a grid to a list, for example, or install skins that change the UI, we don't think a phone should require fixing straight out of the box.
Mark also reminded us that, "A mobile phone should be 'mobile' -- in that it doesn't spend most of its life tethered to a wall socket -- and a 'phone' - in that it makes calls regardless of how you hold it or where you are if there's a reasonable signal. The rest is good too, but that's a mobile phone's core competencies."
Truer words were never spoken. The N8 does make calls and has very good battery life for a smart phone. The iPhone, by comparison, is rubbish in both departments, and we've laid the beats on it for that very reason. But using the N8 is about as much fun as poking your finger into a pencil sharpener, so even if the pencil sharpener has fantastic call quality and battery life, we don't want it.
picconiv submitted this user review: "If you, like me, don't care about Facebook and Twitter, use the phone like a normal person (calls, text, taking the odd picture, a bit of browsing, and GPS navigation) this is the right mobile for you too."
If you don't care about smart-phone features, we don't know why you'd pay smart phone prices. Just go for a good feature phone like the Sony Ericsson W995 Walkman. The Nokia E72 is another we rated highly, particularly if you love Nokia's free sat-nav feature, Ovi Maps.
Dan Chiriac gave the N8 five stars in his user review, despite saying that he doesn't own the phone yet. He asks: "I wonder how could CNET rate Nokia X6 better than N8?"
There are a couple of reasons why the X6 got a higher rating than the N8. The first is it came out in December 2009, and in the lightning-fast world of mobile phones, things have moved on. Each phone is compared to its contemporaries, and if they've improved more, the phone won't score as well. Some great, affordable smart phones have come out in 2010 and the N8 is taking them on.
Secondly, the X6 is a feature phone and is much cheaper than the N8. Phones are scored compared to similar phones -- we don't pit a cheap pay as you go phone against the iPhone or HTC Desire HD, but we did ask the N8 to take on that fight. That's why it came out battered and bruised. We do prefer the N8 to the X6, but it's not comparing like with like.
Tim Cooper is another five-star rater for his non-existent N8, and he says we're taking down Nokia like a lion taking down a sick gazelle: "Nokia might be taking in water, but please will you tech blogs quit putting your foot on their head and holding them under. Give them time to get a breath, you may still be surprised."
We agree Nokia could certainly surprise us with some awesome stuff -- and we hope it does. It's made some iconic phones, it has heaps of talent, and things can turn around faster than a ballerina in the mobile market. But we're not going to write a puff piece on the N8 because we like Nokia. We have to review each phone as if we were recommending it to our best friend and spending our own hard-earned dosh.
They say don't feed the trolls, but we could couldn't resist popping under the bridge for some time with our more creative commenters.
silvercat13 says, on our video review, "You don't want it because you are from UK and you would never be able to say that people from EU has delivered a phone which represent the most complete package."
Despite our insistence on singing 'God Save the Queen' at hourly intervals and wearing Union Jack underpants, we don't hold the N8's provenance against it. In fact, we're huge Finland fans -- not only because of their ability to ski and shoot, but for Nokia's adorably straight-talking, speeding-fine-record-breaking former executives. Also, I'm Canadian.
Anonymous on the same page calls us unbalanced and unfair, and adds, "N8 is not perfect (like ANY other phone), but it is good enough for those who want what it has to offer."
That could literally be the review for every phone in the world. Since that would put us out of a job, we'll stick with producing full reviews instead of a pop-up window with this message.
Anonymous reacted to our coverage of a blog that's covering the N8's failures so graphically it's giving us PTSD flashbacks about using the phone. We've edited the rest of the comments for spelling and grammar, but since we don't speak this person's language, we've left it alone.
"i you all jerks have to think about IF YOU EVEN can ma nice toothpick by yourself, rather than making so much comments about handmade things. when you guys ever learn to appreciate other for trying to their best and give best to the world, nobody is perfect and nothing is perfect in this world."
That's not true. We once made a log cabin out of popsicle sticks that won 'best log cabin in Miss Johnson's year 4 class 1985'. Also, the N8 is not handmade, unless you count the hands of 4,000 people in Beijing.
The prolific anonymous also commented on the same story, saying, "I wouldn't mind buying it from you, if you are so desperate to dispose of it. Call me: +2348037993853."
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weaz1981 3 November, 2010 11:55
lol
weaz1981 3 November, 2010 12:04
Now i have stopped chuckling, a serious question:
What is the best smart phone with HDMI out and good battery life? I was going to upgrade to HTC Desire HD but the user reviews are putting me off. I like to go camping and stuff so would really like to get a phone that can last for 24hrs with some use.
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 12:20
well ,it all comes down to this... only eye candy counts.All your arguments hold only if smart==looking good.btw ur captcha is difficult to read.
Mark Anderson 3 November, 2010 12:26
*Rolls up sleeves*
Right, where to begin?
First of all, I actually agree with a lot of what you said. The default browser needs work - and by 'needs work' I mean a total overhaul, the keyboard really should be an overlay and a portrait QWERTY should be there for people who don't have big hands and it should also be a bit less rough out the box. There are solutions in development for all of those niggles of course (the social network app has already been fixed) and you can work around them but, to paraphrase Roy Walker, you can only say what you see.
Go that. Accept it. No arguments there.
However, your review is still a bit weak and smacks of half an hour of going "Oh, it's not an iPhone, is it?"
This is a mobile phone and, as I've mentioned, if a phone can't do the mobile and phone bits properly then it's functionally useless. I appreciate the comments about 'fun to use' but that might come back to haunt you when it's hosing down and you need to call a cab or you happen to wander more than four hours away from a wall socket. By all means praise the iPhone and Desire for their wonderful UI, browsers and apps but stick them under a new heading of 'Shiny goods for people who buy things that aren't very good at their core competencies' rather than 'phones'.
Now I actually have an N8 and when you mention about 'excessive error messages', 'myriad of menus' and 'boring-looking homescreen widgets' it makes me think that you either got a Chinese KIRF or I have superhuman patience and abilities or am just really, really lucky . Or maybe you're... err... exaggerating a little. It goes back to the review where I kind of mentally went through a good number of your complaints and went "That's set up. It happens once... and so's that... and so's that... hang on, did they actually use this for more than an hour?" I mean you probably did but...
Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion even if it's the wrong one. :)
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 12:32
Flora, everyone is wrong and you are iRight?
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 12:36
It's funny how everyone became a technology expert since they got an iphone.
EvilJoe39 3 November, 2010 12:42
lol I love this article (while I'm guessing Mark might not) and I think it's overdue as people were besmirching your good name. Go Flora!
Looking at the current array of phones out and about I'm now conflicted as to which one to get to replace my Nokia N96 which while also a great phone has wound me up totally with frequent crashes, bluetooth disconnections with my Parrot and its habbit from time to time of discharging itself with no apps running. Th iPhone 4 was going to be the one as I'm a mobile.me subscriber anyway until all the antenna-gate, the mythical white version and lack of good deals put me off somewhat. I toyed with the Torch until realising that camera and screen wise it wasn't that much better to my N96. I next turned to the N8 and having read the reviews I'm pretty sure it's everything I've come to expect from the N96 magnified. Then came the Desire HD and Z with the Z looking the better of the two with it's keyboard tempting me after years of actual buttons but the lack luster review of the Z is making me think once again and yes I was always a bit worried by the ribbon cable clearly visible in the early video reviews.
Officially I have no clue. Wait once more till July next year like I did this year?
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 12:48
Ha! That was a hilarious article and loved the title! People are getting slightly to worked up about this I susspect... The phone doesnt seem to as good in general as the other phones at the same price piont (i'm) thinking GalaxyS or Desire but its not a bad attempt, I would personally strugle to spend £450 when I can get a Desire for £350 but a review is an opinion piece not a scientific paper, if you disagree read a different one or go out and buy the phone anyway!!!
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 12:53
Nice to take the feedback on board. Useful and funny. And kudos to Mark Anderson too, for taking it on board but sticking to his guns based on his own experience. Mark, whenever I see a piece on Nokia on Cnet, I look out for you.
northlondon 3 November, 2010 12:59
Not a mention of Ovi Suite?
A complete mess, and so broken that I can't imagine upgrading from my E72 to *any* future Nokia phone.
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 13:01
"Secondly, the X6 is a feature phone and is much cheaper than the N8"
Wrong, S60 5th is a smartphone OS just as S^3
"But using the N8 is about as much fun as poking your finger into a pencil sharpener"
Wrong. You just dont like it, that does not mean it is unpleasant to use.
anonymous 3 November, 2010 13:19
Are they shouting Boo or Boo-urns?
Mehluli 3 November, 2010 13:47
LOL...
Did people see how NOKIA advertised the N8? They said "What will you do with it?"
This boils down to the reason why you buy the phone. For some of us we are interested in the hardware which once its shipped, can not be updated unlike the software, which we know sooner or later will be revamped with FW updates. I'm sure people realize that even NOKIA was mostly advertising the Camera, HD capabilities, FM transmitter, USB on the Go, ALL hardware stuff. Does all these advertised things live to expectactions? YES, YES, IT DOES!
So all the hype about the looks, UI etc don't concern me that much as its a means to an end... HARDWARE!
All I'm saying is people need to start to look at what Nokia offered you and judge the N8 against that.
Proud owner of N8!
anonymous 3 November, 2010 13:47
hahaha boo-urns....loved the reference..
but seriously the N8 does have a nice selection of hardware kit, but the software is a let down...its still symbian just with an even more touchscreen polish to it....its basically s60v50 MK2 in my eyes...I mean yea things are much smoother and a lil easier on it compared to say a 5800 (which is still an ok....ish phone...especially for cheap) but it still has its hang ups like symbian does...
and I do agree though, yes you CAN get theme packs for it...the UI should look good out the box, not the typical straight boring nokia way it does. I mean I expect that from their E series...not something thats supposed to be 'fun'
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 14:01
I understand where each and every one of these negative N8 reviews are coming from. I have read them all, and have been doing so since the phone was announced (yip, a long time back!). I know what I want in a phone and apparently it differs dramatically from most reviewers.... pretty interfaces and animations can only keep me amused for so many hours before I feel the need for some more adult features to entertain me!
I am eagerly awaiting delivery of my Nokia N8 in the next day or two.
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 14:08
"So all the hype about the looks, UI etc don't concern me that much as its a means to an end... HARDWARE!
All I'm saying is people need to start to look at what Nokia offered you and judge the N8 against that."
Mehluli, I am in full agreement! Every bloody reviewer nowadays feels the need to compare every phone to the iPhone! If we wanted an iPhone we'd buy one. We are attracted to the N8 not because of it's ability to try and mimic the iPhone but because it offers us what WE want in a phone. An iPhone would cost me the same on contract here in SA as an N8. There is no way I'd get an iPhone. I am getting the N8.
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 14:27
What exactly does the N8 offer over the other smartphones? I don't see how its easier to make calls on it compared to other phones, and the fact that you need to carry a torx tool with you if you need to replace the battery is definitely not a good thing.
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 14:43
IMO N8 cannot be compared to the iPhone or Android! N8 has an open source OS meaning in no time, itterations will start coming out for any Niggles you may or may not have! If you cannot appreciate the tech marvel in your hands, then you don't deserve to have and use an N8. Go back to your cuddly iPhone made specialy for iDiots and iBots! Actually, I wouldn't want everyone to like the N8 and I'm actually quite pleased that all andriod fan boys and iBots have not been converted. Lets leave N8 to those people who can use it to it's full potential instead which will have a snowball effect on app and OS development.
Def not a good idea to have people complaining that an application does not have a pink icon or make a fart noise when you tap it. You all can stick to your lil toys masqurading as smart phones.
Experience: I have used symbian since the Siemens SX1 (2004) which had video calling by the way and I've also used android and the iphone.
Mehluli 3 November, 2010 15:07
"I don't see how its easier to make calls on it compared to other phones, and the fact that you need to carry a torx tool with you if you need to replace the battery is definitely not a good thing."
Honestly, do you really thing the battery has to be easily replaced? No ways! The reason that it was designed that way shows clearly you don't have to worry about it. For me wat it offers is the great hardware, and I guess maybe the fact that its a NOKIA!
Mark Anderson 3 November, 2010 15:16
"What exactly does the N8 offer over the other smartphones?"
It makes calls and lasts longer than a day. Boom!
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 15:43
Flora, X6 is not a feature phone.
It is a smartphone. It's running on symbian, not s40.
Check the specs in GSM Arena.
tsk tsk.....
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 16:18
The fact remains, the review can be boiled down to "CNET doesn't like Symbian^3". That's OK, iPhone and Android fans usually don't because they perceive Nokia's new strength, handsets and Symbian^3 as a threat, which of course they are. A threat that will reign in iPhone and Android (and RIM and WinPho).
I give you this thought though: If Symbian is so crap, how come the EVEN THE PREVIOUS VERSION (S^1) is still outselling iPhone + Android by miles (and that rate is increasing! Come on - ANSWER (truthfully) - HOW COME?
Because most people actually like it, that's why. And most people are not fans of iPhone or Android (shocker, but true).
Minorities are often loud and proud, but still insignificant, and that applies to iPhone and Android (both very small percentages of phone ownership outside the US) and also the US itself, which represents a mere 8% of the global phone market.
Anyway, more to the point, Symbian 3 will see numerous usability and other improvements in the next firmware update due out shortly (e.g. homescreen (+switching), on screen keyboard + portrait Qwerty, whole new browser that early users have said is better than iPhone or Android). Dare you review it and look at the N8 in a new light (as all new N8's will be sold with it pre-installed), CNET? - DARE YOU?
EvilJoe39 3 November, 2010 16:20
*sigh* it might have great hardware but if the software is pants then how are you going to use it? A car could have a top speed above everything else but if it has the turning circle of the Titanic then it doesn't matter how many Stigs you lob in to drive it, it'll still go off the bend. With great power comes great responsibility and all that jazz.
Look at the N96 and N97 users, how long did they have to wait for firmware fixes and how many of the issues did they actually fix? What gets me is the fact Nokia delayed the N8 to try and fix the software and yet it's still the software that's the issue. How bad was it to begin with or did they just think that they'd delayed it enough and rely on their brand to sell it?
At the end of the day reviews are someone's opinion. They compare and rate things with their competition. The N8 is the top of the line smartphone and as such goes up the Desire, the Galaxy S, the iPhone and the Torch. It's what it was made to do. All aspects are looked at. Yes the Nokia might have a bigger (but sealed) battery life and might be great to make calls on but people buy smartphones to do all the other stuff on besides that. Ironically a smartphone must really be good at doing things that aren't classic phone tasks because one of the things you'll end up doing the least on it is make a phone call.
If you want the phone, get the phone. If you don't like what you've heard then don't get the phone. It's an expensive gamble and one you should not rush into. Don't waste your time complaining that cnet didn't do something like spend enough time on the phone (they've got a ton of things to do and review and by the looks of it have probably spent a lot more time on it than most things) as cnet do go back and add or take away stuff from their review. If you don't like the review then you don't like the review, live with it. It hasn't stopped you from getting the phone has it? The world still turns. CNET will go on looking at stuff and reviewing it for you and (hopefully) still for free.
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 16:56
It makes calls and lasts longer than a day? So does my non symbian smartphone...
If its truly open source that means I can modify the OS myself, yes?
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 16:59
Oh, and the reason so many Nokias have sold is that businesses want cheap simple basic phones for their employees... the last 4 companies I worked with gave their staff Nokias, and the important ones Blackberrys
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 17:01
I had an iphone then lost it. loved it!
bought the N8 love it. love it more!
Why? Firts the bad:
Yes Symbian 3 is annoying as hell that's about it!!!
The good:
Too many, but let me list some I that used every day: Movies, Music, video call to any smart phone, camera, video editing. it's unlock and I can use regular sim to switch from any countries I'm in. I love the fact that I can use my whole favorite song as a ring tone. micro sd is difinitely a plus. so many more to list....
Look, I'm not sure why Nokia stuck with symbian 3, maybe it's too late to change, but if they switch to windows 7 or the same capability as droid or iphone I'll bet my life saving it'll sweep the smartphone market.
Nokia should know this by now and hopefully the new CEO, and I'm pretty sure he will, get in there gear and start getting in the competition.
Again there's only one thing wrong with N8 that's dragging every software along with it Symbian 3.
Features to features N8 blows all the smartphones out there!!!
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 17:19
how can a 'professional' reviewer bashing its own reader? so childish.
makes me think folks at cnet just writing things at random.
X6 is featurephone (!!?)..this is a fact that shows the reviews here cannot be trusted.
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 18:12
[Quote]X6 is featurephone (!!?)..this is a fact that shows the reviews here cannot be trusted.[/Quote]
Ofcourse X6 is a feature phone! It hasn't got the apple logo or the green robot logo on it ;)
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 18:21
Flora you just have prooved yourself, You are biased.
"we've run out of patience with its excessive error messages, myriad of menus, and boring-looking homescreen widgets" just make sure you had n8 since no other than you is getting this problem or its all croocked story, boring looking home screen what does that mean, just having all the symbol covered in square box brings beauty to them or all the shortcuts were not good for you why dont you just let the people decide how boring it is.
Would you mine explaining the Smart Phone by defintion and please compare with any phone but this time please without prejudice. UI matter a lot to you and if browser is so important to you then you must buy ipad or samsung ipad just dont buy phone since you are suggesting us buying walkman means you got ipad. Getting so additional feature is not good for you but UI, a phone primary feature is phone quality and when a smartphone is not upto phone (calling) quality it has no right to be in smartphone.
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 19:33
It's been a while since I used a Nokia, and I have a desire HD and an iPod touch both of which I like. But even then I believe that competition is good. And maybe if Nokia get it right my next phone could be from them. The main thing is it's what a particular individual likes. So many of these review sites (although I'm a regular reader of crave and cnet, gizmodo and other tech sites) have increasingly become biased towards the popular opinion. If one thing has worked just go with it and beat the sh*t out of everything else. Anyway that's just my 2p worth. Everyone is entitled to their opinion!
anonymous 3 November, 2010 20:49
Dunno Why You Had Too Bash The iPhone Mark? It Makes Calls And Lasts Longer Than A Day..
All Though I'm Probably Not A Power-User Like You, Destroying The Environment As They Have Too Be On-line All Day. Everyday, Every Hour, Every Minute.
tahir farooq 3 November, 2010 21:06
hi flora
in my opinion the only thing your right about is the ui (which will obviously change as nokia has announced that the n8 will ba able to run symbian 4 as the updates will progress it to)
the web browser has now been demoed and it seem that nokia have totally changed it based on user feedback
secondly the iphone ui is exeptional but in what other area is it better than the n8???
you rather buy an ipod touch if you dont need to call anyone
furthermore how many apps on the iphone are actually useful?? they might have a million apps but how many will you use?
flash is a massive cutback as every major SMARTPHONE has it
also.. the iphone 4 is prone to cracked screens..
so flora these are some of the comments i'd like to post and i hope you get back to me
p.s. a sharpner is pleasant for shapening/cut finger nails ;p
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 22:20
The phone should not need fix straight out of the box????? Can you please include this comment in the IPHONE 4 review
Anonymous 3 November, 2010 23:09
The X6 is a feature phone! Go Flora
ukmikk 3 November, 2010 23:14
If the N8 had a screen bigger than the Desire HD then it would suddenly become the 'cream of the crop'. Size matters to a CNET girl.
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 00:27
A lot of emphasis is put on UI because people want their phones to be an extension of their personality and they want to be perceived as winners. Take Android and iPhone; IMHO these two devices are within 5% of each other in terms of functionality, ease and cool factor and yet users will bite, kick and scream to let the whole world know that 'x' is way better than 'y'.
Every phone is going to have some detractions and sometimes they’re not the things people consider. For example, I was following a thread about the massive anticipation for the Galaxy S Captivate to arrive in Canada. When it did, suddenly posts popped up talking about disappointing battery life or lack of a notification light or an obvious indicator of missed calls. The high expectation of smartphones sometimes leads to disappointment after the fact.
It's both good and bad that the reviewers are giving the N8 a hard time because in a way they're trying to say "if you're expecting an iPhone experience, you'll be disappointed", but on the other hand not the whole world is looking for an iPhone experience, they want something that works for them, so the proverbial one shoe size does not fit all.
For past Nokia users, familiarity and trust are important qualities. Take Windows as a comparitive example - people have been frustrated and let down by errors and performance issues and yet they continue to embrace Windows because it's familiar and ultimately they believe that it will continue to improve to the point where it's no longer an issue. I think Nokia followers are like this, they know that Symbian isn't the bees knees, but it's familiar and it's just going to get better in time (even if it not called Symbian any more).
I am likely to enter the smartphone realm for the first time soon. I've played with iPhone, I've followed the constant bombardment of ever-new Android hardware, software and the dizzying array of UI overlay variants, but to me the phone that catches my eye the most so far is the N8. By far and away that's because of the camera (I regularly carry a DSLR around with me) but I also value call quality, battery life and durability. It being a true world phone is also appreciated. I know the UI is not perfect, but considering what I'm getting I can live with that - that's not settling, that's being confident enough not to just follow the masses.
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 05:47
I've never commented on this subject before and I'm neither a Nokia fanboy or an Apple Lover.
But if you think you actually addressed any of the complaints of your commenters you are sorely dreaming. I now own an N8 and I also use an IPAD and know the UI well. (By the way I get the IPAD's internet through my N8 because It does that far better than Iphone) .
My best friend owns the iphone. There is absolutely nothing he can do with his phone that I can't. Unfortunately there are many things I can with my N8 that elude and upset him. Let's start.
1. I can bluetooth songs, files and documents to anyone with a (non-apple) product.
2. I can take camera quality photographs and the videos are in a different league whatever you say about 25 FPS, we've compared them.
3. I have unlimited GPS with directions (He still has to find $150- to buy one)
4. My call quality is far better and I don't have death grip
5. I can put videos of almost any type onto my phone and play them without use of other software
6. I don't have to fight like crazy with itunes to put files onto my phone, I simply transfer them.
7. I can use flash on my internet.
To ignore these things and concentrate only on 'Niggles' as Mark Anderson rightly says you show a strange bias against Nokia.
You know I could really go on. Yes there is more games on the APP store, but I don't play games on my phone and when I do Angry birds runs the smoothest on the N8 of any other phone, check the reviews. There's really no app I can't find for theN8 if I want it.
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 07:00
By the way. Any mention that Nokia N8 can be bought for £330 (from O2) compared to £490 ish of the Iphone 4 that everybody seems comparing to?
Isn't the price to quality an important thing to talk about?
Naryan 4 November, 2010 09:36
I have used this phone, it is a crap phone. I can't believe that's being debated.
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 09:56
@ Naryan
aaawwwww bless,
I'm guessing you've invested heaps of cash for the phone, accessories, itunes store and apps for a mass storage device that masquerades as a phone ;)
p.s. were you late for work too ?..... lol lol
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 10:47
Hi Flora, nice opinionated writing there. Just one comment: you can argue about subjective point of views as much as you like (such as do you like the UI or not), but please try to get the facts even somewhat accurate. Your excuses were full of mistakes, as have been pointed out above. Why do you insist on writing about matters you obviously just not familiar with?
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 10:55
Who cares about these reviews. The N8 is selling like hell as we debate.
Mark Anderson 4 November, 2010 12:54
@Rob Berry
News for you, chief. The internet doesn't stop when I'm not using it nor do power stations down tools when my phone is switched off. Sorry. As for the iPhone, I think it's a splendid piece of tech but pretty rubbish as a phone and, to be honest, a bit boring these days. YMMV.
Interesting comments here. I think there are two kinds of people buying phones - those who buy an internet enabled device with a phone attached and those who buy phones that can access internet services. A subtle but important difference and, in fairness to CNET, I think most of their audience - and their reviewers - fall into the former category. Of course most of the world falls into the latter but hey ho.
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 15:42
I agree with a lot of what you said, especially when you compare the N8 to i.e. the HTC Desire. However you said "we don't think a phone should require fixing straight out of the box".
The iphone 4 required fixing straight out of the box to solve it's many issues and without the countless and useless apps, it's just an ipod touch that is acting as a phone. A very bad one at that.
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 16:03
@mark anderson I also have a Nokia N8. No error messages, menus are not crazy at all (there is 1 with basically 2 subfolders all reached by pushing the hardware menu key) and of course they can be organized and sorted into your own file system and you can put those files on your front screen, but I digress.
The default browser is very usable, but needs work, the default tethering needs work (it is SLOW to connect) but works great once it does, and the default social apps need work (as a side note, I am not impressed with gravity, so far I actually like the default app better, but maybe I havent used it enough and wifi tethering is awesome!).
That said, it is an awesome phone, like truely knock your socks off, makes you wonder why people use Android, or iMCHILDPHONE. Last night I was editing pictures and a video on it while my wife was using a computer to surf the web on its tethered internet connection and we were listening to music. Nobody does its camera justice. It is not that it is the good thing about the phone, it is that it is stunning and mind blowing and truely wont have any competitors for years.
madpierre 4 November, 2010 16:44
I must take issue with your reply to picconiv.
I too have no desire to spend most (or any) of my time on facebook et al. I currently have a top 'feature phone' in the samsung pixon 12 but am looking to replace it for two reasons -It has virtually no games available at all, and the navigation is subscription.
I however do not want to sacrifice the excellent camera (as i dont want to lug another item everywhere I go), and yes, pixels are important- try zooming in on a background object with a 5MP shot and see what happens.
Ignoring the social networking leaves plenty of other apps to use which a feature phone cant. and as for it being complicated to add contacts/setup the phone/apps etc,- even if it is, how often does an average person do this.
I havent yet bought one as I was a little dissapointed with the screen which wasnt as clear as my samsung, but im put off the HTC desire HD due to its price, size and power usage (what good is a phone that wont last a full day on one charge - ridiculous), and again the screen is not as bright (and the camera not as good). Add to that the maps use data all the time (what will a long journey do to your data allowance) and I am left with a dilema.
Think I'll wait and see what the next Samsung andriod phone is like - Gingerbread (Samsung nexus 2 due in a couple of days rumor has it) might be all things to all men if the camera is as good as the one ive got.
Heres hoping
Peter
ribbons 4 November, 2010 18:05
I think the N8 actually came away pretty well, compared with malice dished out to the 5230 and C6.
anonymous 4 November, 2010 19:27
I've nothing against Nokia despite only 1 of the 3 I've owned lasting more than a year before breaking. They make nice phones but........ SYMBIAN IS A PIECE OF CRAP. It always was and always will be. If Nokia don't bin this dross immediately, I fear for the company
Anonymous 4 November, 2010 22:52
still not convincing.......
why haven't your boss fired you yet? oh, wait... he probably is the one who asked you to write such stupidity..
maybe cnet should stop writing tech reviews and start writing horoscopes.
regards
Anonymous 5 November, 2010 06:20
I challenge Florina to do a live video comparisonn with me between an iphone 4 and Nokia N8.
I do not own Nokia N8. I own Nokia 5800 currently, but based on what i have been following, i can use prove it and convince an audience who has not read your reviews before, that N8 is as good as any other smart-phone for a common man (one without disposable income) and better than most out there currently in the market. Wanna challenge? I am located in USA.
Email me, if you dare to take up the challenge. IT does not have to be sponsored by CNET(if you are worried about losing your job or humiliate CNET). We can just do a you-tube video. What say?
I am serious, not joking.
Anonymous 5 November, 2010 06:47
I meant Flora and not Florina. Typo, few more typos in there.
anonymous 5 November, 2010 07:09
Guyz.................it`s time to look at the fact........Symbian will surely be out of all Nokia phones within 2-3 yrs.
Why do u think they are spending so much money on Meego.
In my opinion.......the Samsung Wave with it`s Bada os is much better than the N8 except for it`s 12 MP camera which when compared to the big diff. in price is nothing.
Flora Graham 5 November, 2010 10:39
To everyone who pointed out that the Nokia X6 is running Symbian S60, you're right -- mea culpa, that does mean the X6 is running a smart phone OS. 'Smart phone' is a wibbly-wobbly, nebulous definition, but it does have the features to put it in that category. Nevertheless, I think the point stands -- buying an X6, you'd compare it to feature phones like the Samsung Wave in terms of price, features and target market. To compare it with top-end smart phones wouldn't be helpful. The Nokia N8 is going up against the iPhone and pricy Android phones for people's hard-earned money.
We've got to try to compare phones within their categories in order for our reviews to be helpful. You can nit-pick on features, but that's common sense.
Helmut 5 November, 2010 14:09
I think iPhone and Galaxy S are in different price category (in where I live), so comparison is not quite fair.
Old Desire costs about the same, so there comparison is ok (and while Desire is a great phone, I'd pick N8 the winner in that comparison, because of clearly superior hardware). Also, battery life is an essential part of user experience, and should never be downplayed as it was in the N8 review here.
In the end, all this (and the CNET UK attitude towards N8 in general) is just bad tech journalism, and that's where all this "flaming"comes from. There is such a big discrepancy between the CNET UK review and user experiences, and the CNET UK review and reviews in many other sites (including e.g. the US sister site). Note that these reviews do not necessarily praise or give high marks to the phone, but even their criticism is based on a certain level of professionalism. The review in CNET UK came up in half a day the very first day the phone was released, while many respectful gadget sites took about one week to make a thorough review of the final release version. Typically, they gave four out of five stars to N8. Which is much closer to truth than CNET UK's three stars.
Anonymous 5 November, 2010 14:16
It was implied that the N8 is made in China. Is this true?
At least in the past the most expensive Nokia phones were made in Finland at the Salo factory.
The factory is still running and N8 is high in the Nokia line-up so...
There may be differences between markets, of course.
Helmut 5 November, 2010 14:20
And ah well, how untrue are the sentences quoted below. The longer I use the N8, the more I like it. After customising it to be just the way I want it, which I very much like to do, it is easy and FUN to use, and I can do almost anything I like with it.
This morning, I just left my laptop home and won't take it with me when I'm traveling this weekend. Instead, by sticking USB mouse to the N8 (because of USB OTG you know...) and connecting it with HDMI to television, I can surf on a big screen or play Angry Birds (and listen to music and what ever, because of real multitasking you know...). Guess you just didn't have time to USE the phone in your half a day testing.
"The sad fact is, the longer we use the N8, the less we like it. Far from learning to love Symbian 3 as we get used to it, we've run out of patience with its excessive error messages, myriad of menus, and boring-looking homescreen widgets. With our N8 as broken in as our favourite teddy, we think it's lucky to have walked away with the three stars it did get."
"But using the N8 is about as much fun as poking your finger into a pencil sharpener, so even if the pencil sharpener has fantastic call quality and battery life, we don't want it."
Mark Anderson 5 November, 2010 17:01
"We've got to try to compare phones within their categories in order for our reviews to be helpful."
Ah gotcha. So by comparing the N8 to the iPhone and Desire you're putting it in the "shiny toys that aren't very good as mobile phones" category? That's a bit unfair on the N8 though as it's mobile and makes calls.
Oh we could play this click bait back and forth till the cows come home, couldn't we? But let's not. Ultimately I think your review is probably right for the shiny toy crew (no, not geeks, that's quite a different category) that visit most tech blogs and quite horrendously wrong for the average punter so job done I suppose.
Rev 5 November, 2010 20:50
I really find it strange how N8 feels so frustrating to use not for example iPhone. Makes one wonder what the reviewers actually try to use it for.
For example I found highly frustrating my first attemps to get mp3 ringtone on iPhone or the fact that I need iTunes and cable to transfer files to the phone. I find it frustrating that choppy 3G connection can mean I can't actually navigate with my phone and if I want to fix that, I have to buy expensive software that is still limited to few countries etc.
I can handle few more menus, but missing functionality is a real deal breaker.
EvilJoe39 5 November, 2010 23:53
Geeez if you have all this pain from one simple review why are you all reliving it? Move on.....
Anonymous 8 November, 2010 02:23
I know what you all can use your Crappy Android and iOS Shitphones for ......browse to this Cnet Uk or similar...Agadgetgay..and sofort....and wipe your AAssss...thats what they are worth......or use the toiletpaperApp......if you dont bother that much....I REALLY MEAN THIS !!!!!!!!
Anonymous 8 November, 2010 02:26
I know what you all can use your Crappy Android and iOS Shitphones for ......browse to this Cnet Uk or similar...Agadgetgay..and sofort....and wipe your AAssss...thats what they are worth......or use the toiletpaperApp......if you dont bother that much....I REALLY MEAN THIS !!!!!!!!
Anonymous 8 November, 2010 08:46
@Flora.
You said above about X6
"buying an X6, you'd compare it to feature phones like the Samsung Wave"
"To compare it with top-end smart phones wouldn't be helpful."
So you do imply then that there are smart-phone which are not top-end, but yet smart-phones!!
X6 falls in that category.
Give me few example that X6 can't do that iphone 3G can without the need of any third-party app
and vice versa and then let's discuss about whether X6 is a featurephone or a smart-phone.
stevec611 8 November, 2010 13:22
"But using the N8 is about as much fun as poking your finger into a pencil sharpener, so even if the pencil sharpener has fantastic call quality and battery life, we don't want it."
Fun to use? To me this implies that what you are most concerned with is having a toy to play with. For me, a phone is a tool (just as a pencil sharpener is a tool), and I guess I would expect you to review it as such, rather than dismiss it because it isn't a fun toy.
Anonymous 8 November, 2010 13:37
What are you doing? I thought you were a professional blog, yet you feel the need to produce an article based on rebuffing the inane comments from your 'readers'? Has CNET become that insecure? How about writing an unbiased, objective article and then standing by it (dpreview.com is an excellent example of how to do this), without the need to drag trolls out from under their bridge and bait them.
Anonymous 10 November, 2010 08:22
Nokia N8 is a very functional phone, but that is not enough today.
The interface sucks, doesn't match Apple or Android phones. For all those Nokia fanatics out there, just look at the fact that Nokia's market share has been consistently declining year on year, although they are still the largest by market share.
When you buy a high-end device, you expect everything top-of-the line. But the interface, and internet is really not up to mark.
Nokia has historically balked at leading innovation. When Sony Ericsson were chalking out better displays and sound quality in their phones in 2004-06, Nokia responded by stating that human eye can't perceive the difference in the pixel count of the displays. They were proven false by the rest.
Again they had the resources and market leadership to push touch-screen innovation, but you had to wait for an Apple to do that. In fact Nokia had launched touch-screen models early, but they never really believed in their potential. And they launched a slew of smart-phones in the N Series, but whatever else they may be good at, they never had a Wow factor.
And once Apple entered the fray, they were too late. They never saw their doom in smart-phones until too late. Even now, when Android is making waves everywhere, they still have to stick on to their obsolete looking Symbian OS. The least they could do was start a line of Android smart-phones. And if this is indeed the best Symbian can do in a touch screen, then they are well and truly doomed.
Frankly Nokia sells well in the low-end, and the E-series business phones. But the future of E-series will also soon change, as Android handsets with much better features are debuting at much lower price points than the E-72s and their brethren.
If you are only looking at a functional phone with a long lasting battery, then N8 is right for you.
But c'mon guys, all of us like to have some style mixed with functionality. The only bling N8 has is in its aluminium unibody with outrageous colors (kewl). But start using the phone and the consistently tedious and functional Symbian OS will bore you to death.
I would rather have a fun day everyday even if I have to recharge every day.
It’s better to live every moment, rather than living a boring life to live a little longer... (No puns intended)
Anonymous 10 November, 2010 17:16
*The interface sucks, doesn't match Apple or Android phones.*
Does it suck? Or does it suck because it doesn't match Apple/Android? In my mind that's two different things. A VW Golf is not a Porsche Cayenne and yet they both have 4-doors and take you from A to B. Is getting there in style of the utmost importance every single time? At least with the Golf you're not dealing with envy every time a new better luxury SUV comes out that's more desirable than what you have.
*When you buy a high-end device, you expect everything top-of-the line. But the interface, and internet is really not up to mark.*
And yet all those iPhone users had to deal with crippled earlier versions of Apple's "high-end" phone (no MMS anyone?). You could even argue that even current high-end devices of other manufacturers are not top-of-the-line (cheap/missing cameras, poor battery life, poor voice quality, lack of widgets, etc). But in your statement it would appear that top-of-the-line only equates to the internet browsing experience. For some that may be true but it's by far from universal.
Anonymous 10 November, 2010 19:29
I have the N8 and I hate it. I really fel let down an other time.
Nokia should start looking for other UX people, because their smartphones are in no way a pleasurable user experience. I can't even type properly on the screen, the cursor jumps all around the screen. Surfing with the built in browser some times, the screen is covered with 50% controls. I still haven't been able to reply on an email. Every time I press reply it crashes. (newest FW installed).
It's all a on paper spec phone, but when it comes to using it it fails.
They could put monkeys working instead and they would do a better job. Alarm bells should also have rung and management changed after the release of N97.
How can a company with the highest R&D investments in it's sector not be able to innovate?
Anonymous 10 November, 2010 19:34
Wow, by reading the treads. It's looks like the hardcore Nokia fans rally around like fundamentalis who think someone is trying to convert them into a new religion. I'm only loyal to gadgets that work.
Anonymous 10 November, 2010 22:15
I've absolutely no interest in a mob's camera. I want a smartphone that is the best MP3 player it can be. My interest is in sound not vision, I suppose.
Your reviews pay very little attention to a (smart)phone's music storing, retrieving and playing ability while going on and on about its largely pointless and nearly always totally unused, camera. All mobile phone cameras already take pictures at resolutions that no screen will ever display and to a quality that no one would ever want to print.
But there is no reason why they shouldn't come with a truly excellent MP(n) player outfit (h/w and s/w) especially now we've got Zune and the like here in the UK (we have, haven't we?)
More emphasis on music and less on the flashy stuff?
Anonymous 11 November, 2010 19:20
Flora you said "Secondly, the X6 is a feature phone". WRONG - this shows how little you know. It is a smartphone.
Just got an N8 - not perfect - some O/S things more clunky than Desire - but not by much and it is better in some ways too on the o.s.
And very much better in a lot of ways - battery life camera FM radio reception call quality scren visibility in daylight, new social app is fine, speaker sound quality much better, maps - gps fix is better and free navigation & maps download offline.
Desire has portrait qwerty (all my friends use T9), much better browser and better text input without having to open up a new input page. But the N8 has all the advantages above and other stuff - noise cancellation, USB on the go, digital radio, inbuilt 16gb memory, lovely quality hrdware.
Please give the N8 another chance - I really think you are being unfair - honestly.
Anonymous 11 November, 2010 21:11
...oh and the fm transmitter is cool too - really useful at home for listening to podcasts through the home stereo - and TV out and HDMI out for watching stuff. Better home screen than Apple - if you just want icons like apple you can have them but you can have next appointment / radio / nusic widgets too if you want.
Oh and great headphones supplied - so much better than Apple ones as in-ear, high quality and with controls on them.
Did you even get them out of the box?
HARDWARE DOES MATTER! And the software is fine and will oly get beter.
No error messages on mine - are you sure yours wasnt a dud
Anonymous 12 November, 2010 08:14
The FM transmitter is crap. Tried it on the home stereo and it's a lot of noise. In the car it's also difficult to pickup. The sound level is quite low so I need to have the stereo on almost full volume.
Never used the headphones supplie. The looks quality though.
The widget thing on the screen is great think. I can get a little messy though and some of the widgets are not that great.
Btw. try to go to gmail.com, write some emails and some other stuff with the N8 and then do it with a HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy or iPhone. I think you might not rate the N8 that high on doing anything with the browser after you have tried some other devices.
I'd love to give the N8 an other chance but haven't we heard all this before. N97, N97 mini... It is all software related so theoretically it possible to do something about it. I doubt enough will be done to please me.
I assume there's some Nokia people involved in these threads. For you I hope Mr. Elop turns things around I really do.
Anonymous 14 November, 2010 00:27
I was pleased to see my comment taken into consideration, however your argument against my comment seemed a bit odd.
What I mean is, I said that I don't care about facebook and twitter, but I use the other features (of which I gave a few examples) it does not mean I don't need a smartphone!
A smartphone is not defined by the use of twitter or facebook.
Also I'm hardly paying a premium as I am paying £15 month with Three, 300min, 300 txt, 2gb internet etc... etc... The phone was free.
At that price you can hardly argue.
Also, the others would be second best, given the amazing camera this phone offers. At the moment is just the best.
But again, thanks for your considerations and keep up the good work ;)
picconiv 14 November, 2010 00:30
Sorry I had forgotten to login!
from previous comment:
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I was pleased to see my comment taken into consideration, however your argument against my comment seemed a bit odd.
What I mean is, I said that I don't care about facebook and twitter, but I use the other features (of which I gave a few examples) it does not mean I don't need a smartphone!
A smartphone is not defined by the use of twitter or facebook.
Also I'm hardly paying a premium as I am paying £15 month with Three, 300min, 300 txt, 2gb internet etc... etc... The phone was free.
At that price you can hardly argue.
Also, the others would be second best, given the amazing camera this phone offers. At the moment is just the best.
But again, thanks for your considerations and keep up the good work ;)
Picconiv
andrewgoodman121 14 November, 2010 22:07
Lets be serious ,
I have always been a Nokia Fan and the reason being is that it is all about simplicity and ease of use,
The hardware and features for the Nokia N8 simply blows the competition away.
If you like watching Movies, listening to Music and Radio and taking quality pics or videos in HD this is most definately the smartphone for you.
If you like loads of Apps and Internet then i would recommend the I Phone 4 or one of the Android phones or if you want to chance your arm try one of the new Windows 7 mobiles.
For me all the other Reviews for the other Smartphones are mixed but it is what features you want to go with and for myself the Nokia N8 offers more than the others
Andrew Goodman
Anonymous 23 November, 2010 05:24
questi non sono tifosi nokia qui Mi chiedo quanti commenti Nokia PRO sono dal marketing di Nokia.
stesso tipo di scrittura? hanve una bella giornata
Calcio n. 1
anonymous 27 November, 2010 01:12
Well Flora, you made everything clear when you said Nokia X6 is a feature phone. I rest my case.
anonymous 7 December, 2010 14:51
Hello everyone. Can I please have contact information of all who have recommended or given a positive review to Nokia N8. Could you please email me on Shehryar-khan@hotmail.co.uk
It's very urgent and NO I dont want to buy the phone, i need you guys for something else. Thanks.
BR
Shehryar
Anonymous 7 December, 2010 20:46
The ignorance of most reviewers... ( this would take too long so I will skip this)
Let me explain it simply ..... ( for the narsisticly impaired)
I buy a phone because I need one to communicate remotely and it needs to work consistent first and formost.
This is the underlying requirement for everyone (whether they acknowledge it or not)
who cares if its pretty and one less touch when it does not work?
(actually iphone users in my area have to use 3-4 times the touches I do due to connection issues)
Hmmm you didnt think about that in your usability did you!
to quote them " tap tap tap shit, tap tap tap shit-whine whine whine " N8 users laughing in background
(and then comes the apple belief system BS BS BS)
This is about 1. high-end phones that provide 2.additional features and 3.Apps accessibility in this order of precedence
otherwise it is not a phone we are talking about is it?
Anonymous 7 December, 2010 20:48
The ignorance of most reviewers... ( this would take too long so I will skip this)
Let me explain it simply ..... ( for the narsisticly impaired)
I buy a phone because I need one to communicate remotely and it needs to work consistent first and formost.
This is the underlying requirement for everyone (whether they acknowledge it or not)
who cares if its pretty and one less touch when it does not work?
(actually iphone users in my area have to use 3-4 times the touches I do due to connection issues)
Hmmm you didnt think about that in your usability did you!
to quote them " tap tap tap sh*t, tap tap tap sh*t-whine whine whine " N8 users laughing in background
(and then comes the apple belief system BS BS BS)
This is about 1. high-end phones that provide 2.additional features and 3.Apps accessibility in this order of precedence
otherwise it is not a phone we are talking about is it?
anonymous 10 December, 2010 09:59
@ Mark Anderson
I Picked The Phone From Looks Too Performance, And Playing Them Both In The Local Phone Shop, I Almost Immediately Gave The Nokia Back Too The Shop Assistant, Its Just Too Plastic-Like And Poorly Designed Too Me. I Get About 2-3 Days Out Of My iPhone 4, And Its Great For Long Distance Calls (To The Misses) But Whatever, A Phones A Phone.
anonymous 10 December, 2010 10:02
And PS Iron Man On The iPhone Is SUBSTANTIALLY Better Than The Same Quality Video Played On The Nokia, I Tested It, And T he Picture Quality Was PHENOMINAL On The iPhone, So Much So I Actually Bought It From The Local Store.
Anonymous 23 December, 2010 20:27
First off, the person wrote this review obviously is an iPhone fan, which makes this review biased.
Second, the Nokia N8 is not plastic, it is made of aluminum.
Third, as many failed phones Nokia may have had recently, this one isn't. It is improved and very reliable.
Last, the iPhone will never have the functionalities of the N8.
Anonymous 25 December, 2010 14:21
Reading the article I have come to the conclusion that CNET sucks... GSMArena is way better for mobile reviews as they are unbiased... CNET seems to be run by babies who like shiny stuff rather than something that's actually good...
Anonymous 7 January, 2011 03:28
Nokia can keep pretending to be owner customers here like Greenberg and many others.
NOKIA n8-00 SUCKS BIG TIME!
My hard earned money gone!
Anonymous 11 January, 2011 02:42
I bought my N8 4 weeks ago. It is still in the service care centre for 3 weeks. Is this normal? Is rectifying instability issues so difficult?
Anonymous 11 January, 2011 07:15
I get all upset when I see some dealers or fanatics protecting Nokia by humiliating some unfortunate genuine purchaser's concerns in here and other forums. Geez whiz. Use your brains for heaven sake. Do you not realize what you may be doing to our reputation? Nokia is a famous and very good brand with trained 'after sales care backup'. Potential customers can decide for themselves as all products have their plus and minus. This is what I usually say to my customers.
Do not scare new customers away by using mistaken or wrong pressure tactics. Once written, its done. If you are nice and treat every customer the way you would like to be treated, sales usually get better. This is a new year so please let us pray and unite for better Nokia products and help Nokia raise the quality, not damage it. Customers comes first.
Anonymous 11 January, 2011 12:25
I will comment on The N8
It was DEAD from day 3 .!
Didn't have much of a chance to use it , it stop after I handled it for a few minutes , that may vary from 5 to 20 !
But 20 minutes are quickly gone when you try & make some sense of the different menus etc !
So For me 1 Star ! I IT Did make The Phone call !
ANY ONE WHNAT 'S IT MAKE ME AN OFFER , IT IS GUARANTIED AND HAS TO BE RETURNED TO O3 LONDON, THEY SAID THEY WOULD FIX IT , THIS NEW PHONE!
As fron NOKIA , THEY NEVER CARED To even answer my Email Or APOLOGISE for THE New Phone NOT TO WORK.
Compagnies like that who don't CARE & DON"T respectc THeir Customers ! I don't want to deal with them. MAY YOu DO?
Thank you
Anonymous 11 January, 2011 12:38
ANONYMOUS
I see IT IS almost YOUR Comments on this Page ! ARe You paid to writte here OR You have nothing else To DO !?
Just wondering !
End Of the DAY N OK I A Made " A LOSER" !
That from Personel experience and also based on All the various comments I have read over the past weeks .
I not a Fun of ANY Company
What I Buy I expected to work that's all!
Mistakes can happen , Then You apologise and take care of your customer in order to keep that customer.
But NOKIA IT Seems was too much in a Hurry to Throw out Yet an other phone to compete with other Brands Too bad ! IT DIDN"T MAKE THE MARK!
Anonymous 12 January, 2011 17:21
Innit funny how most review sites seem to end up in fan based arguements...bit like football fans! cuuuumon youuu ree-eeeds! lol
I've always had Nokia phones as i'm too old and lazy at this time to learn another O.S! I havn't yet found a phone that ticks all the boxes including my 5800 (s l o w B r o w s e r ....yawn) and doubt i ever will.
My bosses and all their friends have iPhones and never stop moaning about the battery life, its become a fun running joke with iphone chargers hanging out of wall sockets all over the worksites, and from what they've told me you're kinda tied into Apple for everything and since i have hundreds of audio books i need a phone with easy mp3 transfer, The final nail in the iphone coffin for me was the great big crack on the screen of one of my bosses phones after he dropped it, i can't afford to have a fragile phone.
So, even after reading all the love it / hate it / iPhones are great and Nokia sucks/ Nokias are great and iPhone sucks waffle on here i'll still be buying the N8. End of the day Read all the reviews, soak up all the information you can, listen to your friends experiences with their phones and above all it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks! make your OWN decision, don't just follow the crowd!
Anonymous 14 January, 2011 21:08
Iphone needs a case to rectify its reception problem!!! Wut up wit dat????
Anonymous 20 January, 2011 15:08
Mark, you make me laugh, but I pretty much agree with all you have wrote so far. I'm a big Nokia fan but have to admit that I find Symbian frustrating at times. However, when looking at CNET reviews it does appear that the iPhone is forgiven some pretty major sins for being easier to use. Lets hope Symbian 4/MeeGo or whatever comes next will address the useability issues so we can put this to rest. DT
Anonymous 24 January, 2011 12:43
anonymous 14 January, 2011 21:08
Iphone needs a case to rectify its reception problem!!! Wut up wit dat????
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The Nokia N8 needs a hell of alot more than a case to fix this dinosaur. It should never have left the drawing board. It seems to me that the Nokia engineers seriously lack talent and inginuity when it comes to making and supporting smart phones. Give it up the ghost guys.....you SUCK at the smart phone buisness !!!!!
wole1 24 January, 2011 15:12
Dear Flora Graham,
I am sure you have really good intentions... But then you or someone on your team goes ahead and posts this statement: "If you love the Nokia N8, you're wrong..."
First of all, who 'loves' gadgets? As mentioned in other comments, (smart)phones are tools. You use them and put them aside when not needed. Of course I understand your angle - it's easy to get attached to our ever so multifunctional devices these days.
Having said that and with full respect to you and the rest of your team, I think most of those reading your reviews/responses are intelligent enough to decide on what's right or wrong for them. I think it is therefore an insult to tell the sane, respectable individuals reading your responses that they are wrong for 'loving' their N8.
By the way, I am a very satisfied N8 owner. Frustrating error messages? Surely not pronounced in my experience. Bad browser? Install Opera Mobile already! Keyboard not good enough? Get Swype. Of course we all acknowledge the N8's faults. No point burying heads in the sand about those. However, I'd suggest that most of us who read your review before buying the N8 and still bought it anyway, knew what we were getting into; perhaps we chose to go for Nokia's superior hardware expertise knowing that they would eventually resolve software issues.
What works well on the N8? Let's not begin to talk about being able to connect to remote drives without the need for third party apps... Or if it's fun and games you're after, Nokia may be late to the party but some great mobile HD games are now available in the Ovi Store. Multimedia consumer? Videos and photo are a dream. Couple of nights ago, I completed some video editing on the N8 for a video presentation that went down so well it was as if it was all done on a desktop editor.
Anyway, I guess we all know what we want at the end of the day and we'll always have the strength to make the best choices for us.
PS: Do read with some humour at heart. No stone throwing intended or allowed please.
Keep up the good work Flora & co. Emphasis on GOOD.
Cheers!
Anonymous 10 February, 2011 15:51
Interesting thing I noticed. Almost all the "I hate Nokia" messages are written very poorly. On the other hand more positive arguments are usually written with better language and less typos. Im not even fluent in english language like some of these "palstic phone siht..,,Nkioa B8 sitfone" writers clearly are. I wonder why that is?
Anonymous 29 March, 2011 12:46
Nobody has mentioned the fantastic N900?? Maybe more of a tablet/laptop but still a very good if not the best out there! A much better phone than even the iDIOT 4.....
Anonymous 5 April, 2011 07:07
I JUST GOT MY NOKIA N82 WEEKS AGO. IT WORKED FANTASTIC! BUT 4 DAYS LATER AFTER UPDATING. MY PHONE GLITCHED. IT WONT RESPOND IMMEDIATELY. I CALLED MY DEALER AND DID AS HE ADVISED BY PRESSING THE TOP BUTTON FOR 10 SECONDS. I WAITED FOR THE 3 BUZZES. I RESTARTED BUT IT WENT THE SAME. NOW CNN AND OTHER APS WON'T OPEN IN FULL. NOT ALL BUT MOST OF THE TIME, IT WILL NOT RESPOND IMMEDIATELY AS IF THINGS ARE QUEUED SOMEWHERE. WHO CARES ABOUT THE I-PHONE? I DON'T. I JUST WANT A WORKABLE AND RELIABLE PHONE. MY DEALER WILL NOT TAKE BACK MY PHONE! OBVIOUSLY FROM THE WAY HE REPLIED TODAY, HE KNEW THERE WERE PROBLEMS ABOUT THE N8!
Anonymous 28 May, 2011 03:10
Citation :z type phase conjugated fast flank and slow flank frequency squeezing could be designed by self adaptive antennas as the matatronic capacitors ,resisters and inductance using negative refractive index metamaterials combined sperromagnetic doping combined to control fiber optic leakage control using metamaterials diffuser casing.
Anonymous 28 May, 2011 03:13
We show experimentally that light can be controlled as it propagates inside and through such disordered materials. Remarkably, the scattering can even improve control. Phase coherence, and therefore the possibility for the light to show interference phenomena, is not lost by elastic scattering processes. By manipulating the incident wavefront, we can force constructive interference at any point in space and thereby focus light inside and through opaque materials.Metamaterial diffuser cone could be that could be differentiated further by using intensive magnetic field that could be quantized as per hall’s effect projected as per a new design postulated by Sankaravelayudhan Nandakumar along with Dr.Perumal ,computer professor of C.I.T.Metamaterial that can be use in fiber optic scattering and improve its efficiency of antennas are a class of antennas which can use metamaterials to increase the performance of rotating mobile material antennas to increase performance of miniaturized (electrically small) antenna
systems. Their purpose, as with any electromagnetic antenna, is to
launch energy into free space. However, these incorporate
metamaterials, which are materials engineered with novel, often
microscopic, structures to produce unusual physical properties.
Antenna designs incorporating metamaterials can step-up the radiated
power of an antenna. The newest metamaterial antennas radiate as much
as 95 percent of an input radio signal. Standard antennas need to be
at least half the size of the signal wavelength to operate
efficiently. At 300 MHz, for instance, an antenna would need to be
half a meter long. In contrast, the experimental antennas are as small
as one-fiftieth of a wavelength, and could have further decreases in
size.
Anonymous 7 July, 2011 08:00
Mark is spamming again! Have you got nothing better to do?
Look, the N8 is a dud. Just go to any of the dealers accepting trade-ins!! Then ask why are many Nokias getting such terrible trade-ins?
Oh by the way, good on you for hiring the newest Nokia CEO. Finally someone who knows Symbian is being defended by prehistoric engineers there and need to be upgraded urgently.
anonymous 1 December, 2011 18:45
I have an N8 and I think Symbian is awful. Why do I think it is awful? Because I now also own an iPhone. Once I got the iPhone, I then realised how important the UX actually is. I just couldn't pretend I liked Symbian anymore and I have had Nokia phones for years.
The camera is great, Nokia Maps is great, and that is about it. Phone OSs have evolved. Symbian has stagnated.