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Opinion: Windows 8 will kill the traditional laptop

IFA 2012

The enormous technology showcase that was IFA has just drawn to a close, with thousands of happy geeks jetting their way home, brimming full of knowledge about new phones, TVs, headphones and fridges. What they weren't talking about, however, was the traditional laptop.

All the big laptop players at IFA seemed to be rethinking entirely what a laptop is and how you use it, ready for the arrival of the touch-optimised Windows 8. Samsung's new Ativ Smart PC, along with the HP Envy x2, the Asus Vivo Tab and the Dell XPS 10, are all Windows 8 tablets that slot into a keyboard dock to pose as laptops. Sony's Vaio Duo 11, meanwhile, has a keyboard that simply slides out of sight when you only want to jab your fingers at the screen.

What's most noticeable among all these new models is they're fundamentally tablet first, laptop second, with the keyboards acting as a mere handy accessory when you don't want to type for ages on the screen. The fact that these companies have brought out not only one, but several new products shows commitment to the hybrid as a concept -- constructing these products isn't a cheap process.

Microsoft's own Surface tablet is due out for the launch of Windows 8 and, given that it's Microsoft's creation, it can arguably be seen as the reference design for what a Windows 8 device should be like.

No company at IFA has made any kind of song or dance about their new standard, traditional, no-touch laptops. The same is true of desktop computers too -- all-in-one PCs are becoming increasingly more common, with Samsung, among others, showing off several delightful models, all of which offer touchscreens for navigating Windows 8.

The reason these companies are all busily showing off these fancy new hybrids is that Windows 8 is coming soon and with its touch-optimised interface, traditional laptops with their small trackpads no longer offer the best method of interacting with your computer. Windows 8 offers a new way of doing your computing and the tablet-laptop hybrid is ready to take up the challenge.

If you haven't seen Windows 8 before, check out our review, paying particularly close attention to the Metro interface (as it was originally called, before Microsoft shelved the Metro name). Those big, colourful app tiles are your new desktop and it's where you'll launch the majority of your applications. Its simple interface is begging for you to touch it with your excited, cake-covered fingers, leaving your trackpad stale and unloved beneath your keyboard.

That interface isn't just a lick of paint over the top of an existing piece of software though -- Metro is the core of Windows 8, and with the ditching of the classic desktop and Start Menu, highlights that Microsoft is going after the tablet market in a big way. It's the reason touch has been the name of the game this year at IFA.

You still can make your way around Windows 8 with a standard mouse (or trackpad) and keyboard, but none of the handy navigation gestures will be available to you, suddenly making it seem an archaic practice. I've been using Windows 8 for a while now on a Samsung Series 7 Slate PC (which is basically the same as the new Ativ Smart PC) and I've found navigation using touch to be extremely simple.

Part of that is down to the provided stylus, which allows for the sort of accuracy you'd normally achieve with a mouse and cursor, but the big tiles and simple buttons are easy to press with even the shakiest of fingers. Certain programs such as Adobe Photoshop won't be easy to use with just a finger, but third-party developers will surely create touch-centric versions of their apps, as Microsoft is doing with its own Office suite.

While this may seem like something of a transgression for Microsoft, it's unlikely to faze too many users -- the huge rise in smart phone and tablet use has shown that people are more than willing to interact with their devices using touch gestures, and buy software through app stores rather than install it using a CD. How it fares in the professional arena for business power users is another question entirely.

Windows 7, of course, is still perfectly suited to mouse and keyboard and you can simply choose not to switch if you don't want to. Microsoft has the advantage, however, that any new Windows device sold after 8's launch will come with Windows 8 as standard.

Windows 8 will eventually be the norm, and if traditional laptops don't offer the best way to interact with it, they will simply be replaced by tablet hybrids that offer touchscreens, keyboard docks and styluses.

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Ruffus Stone 4 September, 2012 11:57

It's interesting that if you read the IT press, the IT world and software developers generally appear to be dead set again W8 and Metro. A lot of them hate it and think it'll be a disaster.

Maybe those people don't understand it or haven't really got their heads round what is happening to the world of computing and IT.
Then again they didn't under what was meant by Steve Jobs's pronouncement that we were beginning to enter the "post PC world" and put it down to either gobbledygook or nonsensical sales talk.

Tablet PC's are another example.
When the first iPad was unveiled, a large body of IT opinion couldn't work out what use such devices would have. Many predicted they'd be a sales flop like their clunky, bulky predecessors had been. How wrong could people be?

How deep do you have to be in your own woodland, not to see the landscape and the world outside?

If Microsoft have got it right, then we are going to see another step change in the way we use and interact with IT. Combined with the mass migration to other touch form factors, such as Smartphones and Tablets, the Post PC world draws ever closer.



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anonymous 4 September, 2012 11:59

I was just thinking the same here. Hopefully software warehouses won't take long before releasing new versions of their programs which will be touch screen friendly. You named Photoshop and MS Office, but there is a vast diversity of professionals from other areas who would benefit as well. I can see audio professionals working with a touch screen version of Pro Tools and architects using an AutoCAD touch screen version too alongside the stylus pen.

I am also very curious to see what the future will reserve to desktops, as it can be very tiring to hold your arm in the air to go on tapping on a vertical screen. I don't know what MS has in mind when it comes to laptops adapting to Windows 8, but hopefully they won't be seen as old technology ready to be discarded, because some things are still better to be done in a desktop then in a laptop.

I have this idea of a glossy "table" that would work, when on, as large monitor, and with all the desktop parts hidden inside it. Who knows?

Last, but not least, good to see CNET publishing anything that does not contain the word "Apple" in it, even when it is not related to Apple. Well done, finally....

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anonymous 4 September, 2012 12:20

I think the author is correct! But I think that Windows 8 could do even more than just replace the laptop. It could replace the traditional desktop too, so that you only need one device. Here is how this might work -

If you have a powerful x86 tablet such as the Surface Pro, then you could also use it as a base unit which connects to a large external monitor (22" in my case) and wireless keyboard and mouse. So effectively your tablet has now become your desktop and you can run all your existing desktop applications for your productive work. Then when you want to take the device with you as a tablet for lightweight media consumption, browsing or emailing etc, you just unplug it and use it in Metro mode. If you want to use it as a laptop, you just use the optional detachable keyboard.

So I can now see exactly what Microsoft's vision is with Windows 8. If you choose the right device for your requirements, it really can replace ALL your devices with a single device and provide an excellent user experience whatever you are doing. Obviously many desktop users would still need an external monitor for any complex work, but you still would only need a single device to act as a base unit, tablet, or laptop.

Some might argue that such devices already exist. The problem is that they run Windows 7, which is a great desktop OS but a poor tablet touch-screen OS. What Windows 8 does is bridge that gap by providing an excellent tablet OS with the ability to run legacy Windows apps in the desktop mode - which you can also customise for optimal desktop use by installing 3rd party utilities such as Start8.

Apple doesn't want to go down this route because it wants you to buy multiple devices - afterall, Apple makes their money on hardware. That's why Apple will tell you that Windows 8 is rubbish and that you can't have a one-fits-all solution. However, my example scenario shows that you can have a one-fits-all solution, and the only extra device you might need is an external monitor for when you want to use it as a proper desktop.

I think Microsoft have been very smart and are really onto something with Windows 8. That's why all the new devices designed for Windows 8 are touch-screen devices. The success of this vision will largely depend on the adoption of these devices and on Microsoft and the OEMs marketing it correctly.

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anonymous 4 September, 2012 12:42

Much better/professional reporting than that Luke 'apple fanboy' Westaway (or whatever his name is).

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Nate Misa Lanxon 4 September, 2012 12:50

You're correct, though any tablet that relies on a stylus in any way is doomed as far as consumer adoption is concerned. A finger is a meat stylus and should be the only one required for the majority of scenarios. To suggest a second stylus is needed only highlights that the manufacturer has not truly optimised for touch.

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anonymous 4 September, 2012 13:05

@Nate Misa Lanxon

A stylus is NOT required for the Windows 8 tablets. It's only there for users who need it when using existing legacy desktop applications, or for specific applications which are optimised for stylus input such as detailed graphics or engineering applications.

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anonymous 4 September, 2012 13:33

There will always be laptops around, everyone thought desktops were going to be replaced by laptops when they first came out, but we all know that was not the case.

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Ruffus Stone 4 September, 2012 13:53

@anonymous 4 September, 2012 12:20 quote: [Apple doesn't want to go down this route because it wants you to buy multiple devices - afterall, Apple makes their money on hardware. That's why Apple will tell you that Windows 8 is rubbish and that you can't have a one-fits-all solution.]

AFAIA, Apple have never made any pronouncements or comments about W8.

IMHO Microsoft have been spurred on by grasping what is actually meant by the "post PC era", where operating hardware vanishes behind the wall of the user interface.

The other factor is the realisation that 85%+ of all computer use is for media consumption, social networking, leisure, e-commerce, browsing and entertainment. You don't need a fully featured traditional (as we've known it up to now) PC for most of this sort of usage.

In addition people don't want to "operate a computer" to indulge in these activities or achieve their goals. They just want to do stuff, something the Smartphone and Tablet devices have been allowing them to do in a much more liberating way than ever before.

Apple set out to address these issues with the iPhone and iPad, using their mobile iOS, but understood that convergence and assimilation with the desktop and laptop platforms was needed, before those platforms eventually morphed into something else.
Their solution has been to start down a path of making their desktop OS more like the mobile product iOS and by making them interoperable in many ways.
iCloud, unlike other Cloud models, seeks to use the Cloud for tying together and synchronising all of a user's Apple devices, be they iOS or Mac OS, rather than primarily being a remote cloud storage system (which function it also serves).
The approach seems to be device agnostic (as long as it has an Apple logo) and more about sharing access across the most suitable device for any particular location or activity. To the user, it's the UI that's important, not the hardware.

Microsoft's take on this is slightly different, but set in a vastly different context and it looks like transformer style hardware will be the form factor for now.
Like Apple, it seems they also have had to come up with different versions of the W8 OS; RT for Tablets and W8 Phone for ....ermm! Phones !!
....but they have had to find a way of carrying their vast enterprise business along with these changes. I'm no expert in IT matters, but it strikes me that this is the biggest challenge that Microsoft have had to deal with.

Interesting times !

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anonymous 4 September, 2012 15:07

Nobody has yet addressed the issue of touch-screens spreading colds, flu and other nasty infectious things like wildfire. Businesses will lose many hours to staff-illness due to this.

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Rich Trenholm 4 September, 2012 15:33

I'd like to see figures for that theory, anonymous at 15:07 - how is a touchscreen any more unhealthy than a keyboard? Turn your keyboard upside down and give it a shake right now, then try and tell me that touchscreens are less sanitary

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damien2501 4 September, 2012 16:34

Windows 8 and touchscreen is not the future in my opinion. It has its place with tablets and phones but surely its much more comfortable to have ur hands resting on a mouse and keyboard than keep reaching up to a 21inch screen all the time, especially if something is in the top corner. Windows 8 will be good on tablets and should be a tablet only OS but in my opinion on computers and laptops will be the new Vista.

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Yordan Kisyov 5 September, 2012 11:07

Nope, but Samsung ATIV will do!

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anonymous 5 September, 2012 19:40

windows 8 hmmm 7 is great with a few tweaks, especially on my rock extreme. I have signed up for windows 8 pro upgrade, and am looking forward to using it only if I can switch that bloody metro interface off. I mean flat tiles how ugly does that look, what happened to bling come on soft lad.

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anonymous 6 September, 2012 01:51

Work Place health and Safety is what no one is talking about. I know of a few people (at home) and most offices I visit have the Screen in an ergonomic location, often out of reach.

Does Microsoft consider that if someone hurts themselves while reaching for the screen since the mouse is useless in some cases on Win8. They'll surly be sued! For years and years offices have arranged themselves for the Keyboard and Mouse. This change is too much!

Yet also, I've become so used to using the mouse, that I rarely look at the mouse pointer, because I know exactly where everything is and how to move my mouse. Also annoying is I have to reach over to press the "WIN" key because of no start button! No to mention the wasted animations and time it takes to load/show. This is really annoying, because it took me 6 minutes to do something that took less than 2 minutes in Windows7... Who are they kidding, desktops can't disappear, the fine movements allowed by a mouse can't be replaced with a finger.

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anonymous 7 September, 2012 14:34

Windows 8 will have a significant impact on the tablet/pc/desktop. The concept is in less devices and and unified ui for everything. I wouldnt waste my time buying another ARM based proccessor device but would prefer a full intel based mavhine that can serve as a laptop/ tablet/ and poted to a larger screen as a desktop. The reality is apple has been great at marketing exspensive devices for years now and offering very little. So why do people flock. Well it is the same reasoning they buy Gucci, and Prada. I would even predict in the future machines that work on multiple OS chimpser combinations so it can be booted supporting ARM or INTEL. The challenge for apple is the same as selling 300 dollar sunglasses so it is possible to consider that continuing but as the consumer becomes more educated the weight of selling exspensive devices from a technical arguement becones much more difficult. Www.synergychat.com

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OIlyJe 10 September, 2012 00:01

windows 8 on desktop is great. Having live tiles when I log in that tell me if I have any new emails, and the quick access to the skydive app so I can bring up documents I saved that I was working on the previous day quickly. I find the start menu productive and saves time! Only issues is the length you go through to log off. Microsoft should make a mouse similar to Apples magic mouse (but with right click) to use gestures to control the menus. Would be a cool idea.

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anonymous 10 September, 2012 00:39

I cringe when I hear tablets replacing laptops/desktops. What about typing on a tablet? That's what the computers are best used for.

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anonymous 10 September, 2012 00:56

The only way the reviewer came with a note like this is because he has used the thing in proper hardware something that's laking in the vast majority or windows 8 rants you see all around. I've been noticing a change in the tone of windows 8 coverage as the time passes by and people has actually experienced it.

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anonymous 10 September, 2012 23:28

IMHO all computers, tablets, phones or whatever they will be called in the future will all be voice activated as many are now, I talk to my Mac, my Iphone, my Ipad and I just bought a new car and I now talk to it, my wife thinks I'm going mad!!!

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anonymous 17 September, 2012 03:23

what is all this fuss about. ive been running win 8 on my crappy 6 yr old netbook for about 3 months(was running win7).i have no problem zipping about . with a few tweaks like adding a start menu, everything search, a few win 7 apps. i am well happy . use the keyboard shortcuts
for eg. f2 = rename . instead of right click scroll down to rename. win 8 is so much faster. my sister has touchscreen and she is allways pointing at something accidentally touching the screen and going somewhere she didnt want to go. i have touchphone,ebook, and ipad.give me good old fashioned mouse and keyboard for working on. dont knock it till you try it.

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Ed Luhrs 19 September, 2012 08:16

I think it's as much of an overgeneralization to say that IT types are against Windows 8 as to say the new system is the beginning of the end of traditional computers. Despite the market push for hybrids or tablets, I think plenty of folk will simply go for reasonably priced laptops with touch screens, an example being the Samsung Series 5 Ultra Touch (or Lenovo Yoga, which is more $$$ but has SSD.) I'm really fascinated by Surface but was kind of hoping for at least one more USB port on the Pro model. At any rate, Windows 8 is setting new standards, but plenty is still the same, both on the desktop and underneath the hood - and what's new, much of it is good. I'm excited about it all.

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:01

Hmm, doing any amount of work on a touch-based laptop feels imprecise and is oddly tiring. I do wonder if it might only really suit executive types who like to play at working on a laptop, and people who want to consume content. For workhorse stuff, the ergonomics don't seem to have been cracked... yet.

Fundamentally, touching stuff with my giant clumsy fingers is slower and less precise than with a mouse or stylus. Editing text or video on a touch-based system is a chore, and using Photoshop effectively is right out. It's possible that one day, people will crack designing nice touch interfaces, but they haven't yet. Even Apple haven't solved apparently simple problems like text editing in a way that doesn't make most laymen swear until they have had weeks of practise.

I suspect that a lot of the pontificating and enthusing about the universal applicability of touch comes from the same sort of people who used to enthuse about "the paperless office", while getting their PAs to print out their email. People who just get to tinker like dilettantes, answer the odd email, fiddle with facebook, and write short opinion pieces rarely get to the bottom of any problems of practical mass market UX.

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:01

Hmm, doing any amount of work on a touch-based laptop feels imprecise and is oddly tiring. I do wonder if it might only really suit executive types who like to play at working on a laptop, and people who want to consume content. For workhorse stuff, the ergonomics don't seem to have been cracked... yet.

Fundamentally, touching stuff with my giant clumsy fingers is slower and less precise than with a mouse or stylus. Editing text or video on a touch-based system is a chore, and using Photoshop effectively is right out. It's possible that one day, people will crack designing nice touch interfaces, but they haven't yet. Even Apple haven't solved apparently simple problems like text editing in a way that doesn't make most laymen swear until they have had weeks of practise.

I suspect that a lot of the pontificating and enthusing about the universal applicability of touch comes from the same sort of people who used to enthuse about "the paperless office", while getting their PAs to print out their email. People who just get to tinker like dilettantes, answer the odd email, fiddle with facebook, and write short opinion pieces rarely get to the bottom of any problems of practical mass market UX.

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:02

Hmm, doing any amount of work on a touch-based laptop feels imprecise and is oddly tiring. I do wonder if it might only really suit executive types who like to play at working on a laptop, and people who want to consume content. For workhorse stuff, the ergonomics don't seem to have been cracked... yet.

Fundamentally, touching stuff with my giant clumsy fingers is slower and less precise than with a mouse or stylus. Editing text or video on a touch-based system is a chore, and using Photoshop effectively is right out. It's possible that one day, people will crack designing nice touch interfaces, but they haven't yet. Even Apple haven't solved apparently simple problems like text editing in a way that doesn't make most laymen swear until they have had weeks of practise.

I suspect that a lot of the pontificating and enthusing about the universal applicability of touch comes from the same sort of people who used to enthuse about "the paperless office", while getting their PAs to print out their email. People who just get to tinker like dilettantes, answer the odd email, fiddle with facebook, and write short opinion pieces rarely get to the bottom of any problems of practical mass market UX.

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:03

Hmm, doing any amount of work on a touch-based laptop feels imprecise and is oddly tiring. I do wonder if it might only really suit executive types who like to play at working on a laptop, and people who want to consume content. For workhorse stuff, the ergonomics don't seem to have been cracked... yet.

Fundamentally, touching stuff with my giant clumsy fingers is slower and less precise than with a mouse or stylus. Editing text or video on a touch-based system is a chore, and using Photoshop effectively is right out. It's possible that one day, people will crack designing nice touch interfaces, but they haven't yet. Even Apple haven't solved apparently simple problems like text editing in a way that doesn't make most laymen swear until they have had weeks of practise.

I suspect that a lot of the pontificating and enthusing about the universal applicability of touch comes from the same sort of people who used to enthuse about "the paperless office", while getting their PAs to print out their email. People who just get to tinker like dilettantes, answer the odd email, fiddle with facebook, and write short opinion pieces rarely get to the bottom of any problems of practical mass market UX.

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:03

Oh crap, sorry for the multi-post, had horrible troubles with the captcha, please nuke the dupes :(

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:04

Oh crap, sorry for the multi-post, had horrible troubles with the captcha, please nuke the dupes :(

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:04

Oh crap, sorry for the multi-post, had horrible troubles with the captcha, please nuke the dupes :(

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:05

Oh crap, sorry for the multi-post, had horrible troubles with the captcha, please nuke the dupes :(

(the captcha seems broken, actually, rejecting apparently correct responses sometimes.. some sort of multi-layered javascript horror?)

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anonymous 27 September, 2012 12:05

Oh crap, sorry for the multi-post, had horrible troubles with the captcha, please nuke the dupes :(

(the captcha seems broken, actually, rejecting apparently correct responses sometimes.. some sort of multi-layered javascript horror?)

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anonymous 12 January, 2013 18:35

Microsoft Windows 8 is Rubbish
Sold to me on a brand new just before Christmas 2012 lap top - you cant even operate I Tunes on it - it persistently crashes to Blue Screen of Death and repeated recurring shut downs -
Do not get windows 8
Typically there is no good or no useful customer support from Microsoft and the user blogs demonstrate that everyone is equally frustrated.
WHAT A BAD PRODUCT !!!
Buy Apple
Buy MAC you dont get these stupid problems -
My goodness a company like MS should have sorted that out before launching Windows 8
They are either extremely incompetant !
Or synical but yet naive in trying to sabotage competetitor
compatability - very stupid microsoft - that was your last chance with me -
its Apple everytime from now on ! regards Paul W

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anonymous 6 March, 2013 11:05

So what happens when I need to run actual professional applications like Photoshop, After Effects, Maya, etc, instead of phone apps on a 1.8ghz processor tablet?

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